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I said it before...and I'll say it again... and here is another recent case of it in **Wired **

Pump and Dump, Soft or Hard, it's all a Scam.

Once More As Always CRYPTO CURRENCY IS A SCAM

#CryptoCurrency #Memcoins #PumpNDump #CurrencyScam #CryptoScam #AvoidCrypto

in reply to Joseph Teller

You don't understand. People scam people. Bitcoin or crypto is a technology used to invest in property. The technology is honest. Instead of calling the technology a scam, you should call people out for exploiting others and people who invest unwisely. Hold people to account, not software.
in reply to Joseph Teller

A look at crypto and politics, one of tonight's CBS 60 Minutes segments. Coincidentally airing as I read this.
I know a similar story, 14-yr-old prodigy bought one something at the beginning and is now a global adventurer...
No backlash in her case, but testament to the "opportunity" out there to be tapped, at the top of the pyramid, if not the "risk" of huge loss, or in this case, "doxing" &/or just burning in hell - or getting "woke".

Happy Holidays!

in reply to Joseph Teller

Property investment, which crypto is a form of, can be an outright gamble. Sometimes it pays big. But so does the lottery or game machines. Really, tho, it's up to the individual to know one's limitations and up to the government to protect consumers from fraud.

Personally I think bitcoin is a speculative investment, not for the amateur. At least not meant to dip into life savings.

Also, I think bitcoin is really clunky. I think it is a fair assessment to say bitcoin doesn't have much legitimate demand, i.e. it is used to hide things more than to conduct legitimate transactions. There many, much easier ways to conduct monetary transactions than using bitcoin.

But on the other hand, LOL, bitcoin value has increased exponentially over the last couple decades. It increased a hundred fold in the last ten years.

So, it isn't a scam, it is a speculative investment.

in reply to Joseph Teller

BUT... scammers will scam, and this "opportunity of a lifetime" might seem like low-hanging fruit. I'm reading "James" now, a story of Huck's adventures as told by his friend/slave, addressing the twin worlds and languages. (Strong recommend). The thing is, I just finished reading about a scene where two top-tier scammers use Huck/Jim's raft, telling them they are a Duke and a King, and proceed down-river to find a revival meeting with a preacher/conman about to meet his match. Eventually Huck learns how low some scammers/schemers will go.

That said, I'm big on seeing "context and perspective" so in the whole I'd agree with this "thing"/tool/scheme being less the evil device than the people who are out to profit and scam. Like our collection of incoming oligarch Lords & judges.

in reply to Joseph Teller

So, it isn’t a scam, it is a speculative investment.

So is a Ponzi scheme. Some win, some lose. You takes your chances.

in reply to Joseph Teller

I mined a block of 5 bitcoin and sold them for AU$17 each. AU$85 pure profit, baby!
in reply to Joseph Teller

@tomgrzybow And there's a reason why Ponzi schemes are illegal and get you sent to prison (the man who invented them and which they are named after did indeed get brought into court, just like many many others afterwards).
in reply to Joseph Teller

@Andrew Pam 5 bitcoin now is a half million dollars. You must have did your mining 20 years ago.

I toyed with crypto 10 or 15 years ago. Then i forgot about it. A year ago someone asked me to help them with a small amount of bitcoin that someone had given them. So I grudgingly refreshed my memory and figured out how to check their bitcoin for them. Along the way I dug around in my old files for keys and passwords of my own stuff, and checked on the tiny bit of bitcoin I had left in a couple wallets. Whoa, it had ballooned into a few thousand dollars. Color me impressed.

But I do agree with Joseph's sentiment, bitcoin does not have much socially redeeming value, lol.

But bitcoin isn't exactly a ponzi scheme.

In a Ponzi scheme, a con artist offers investments that promise very high returns with little or no risk to an investor. The returns are said to originate from a business or a secret idea run by the con artist. In reality, the business does not exist or the idea does not work in the way it is described or the extent of returns is made up or exaggerated.
in reply to Joseph Teller

Oh, one other note about bitcoin, whatever its level of evil it may be, total market capitalization of bitcoin is now close to a trillion dollars. Gold about 18 trillion for comparison.
in reply to Joseph Teller

It would be interesting to see how 'leveraged' crypto is in "real money". Chasing it's ( their ) own tail, it's worth more because it's worth more.
in reply to Joseph Teller

There is a bit of real money involved by miners who have purchased ungodly amounts of computing power, and who have to work to get their money back plus profit. After all bitcoin is based on proof of work.

But the value of bitcoin is still based on the value of privacy of transactions. That's why cash was invented.

in reply to Joseph Teller

Somebody send me a bitcoin receiving address or QR code and i'll send you $20 worth, just for giggles. It's just funny money to me now that it has appreciated 100 times what i invested (20 cents x 100 = $20).

Easy, just download a wallet app (or get account on coinbase), set it up and generate a receiving address. Hard part for converting to dollars is you have to sign up to an exchange, like coinbase, then you have to set up a wire transer to a bank to deposit cash. Or just let it sit for 5 years and it will be worth 10 times that much, lol.

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