In my case: There was some learning curve in the beginning end sometimes a little bit from time to time. But in general: I need less time (and much less stress) compared to some other OS where every update breaks something or results in data-loss and restoration.
I mean: I heard that Arch should required a lot of time to understand everything. With Mint and Debian I'm running fine π
I don't agree. People shouldn't forget they had to figure out windows as well. And Linux is more free because that doesn't collect your data, which win11 does massively. Free is more than just time.
I can spend a day and a half installing Windows, running updates, installing software I want, removing or disabling un-features I don't want. I can spend most of a day on a Mac doing the same. Or I can have a working GNU+Linux system ready for production in under an hour. Maybe a tad longer if I'm restoring user files from a backup.
1. Trading time for money was never a good trade. 2. If we understand Linux as a hobby, the time to learn is an investment for our knowledge. 3. If we understand Linux as a profession, working Linux is a way to trade time for money, so we would be in the first case.
It's free as used in freedom not as used in terms of costs.
If you really want to see it in terms of costs: I help (mostly elderly) people using tech, and I can't say that Windows is any better than Linux. Windows Update -> Performance drops. New major release -> costly new hardware. Clicked the wrong button/file -> Viruses (and man, this is time consuming). Kaspersky, Avira etc. plays with the fears of Viruses. -> Confusion and Uncertainty
Installed two of my participants Linux (60 and 80 years old) all the above is gone. They tell me every month they've done updates, they love to update their system (don't know why, guest because it just works and feels good). They saved a lot of money cause they can use their "old" hardware and so on and so on.
If time is the currency, Windows is much more expensive. Setting it up, removing ad-infected bloat and spyware, constantly updating drivers... Maintaining Linux costs to much time, but is currently the least time-consuming option we have (unless you choose Debian or Arch...)
It's how I practice mindfulness. Not because I have to, but because I want to. It's working perfectly fine without my tinkering (and usually better as my tinkering often breaks things). π
I think this is a common statement from people who were taught to use Windows in their childhood. In fact, as others have said here, people forget that it was also necessary to learn Windows.
In my opinion, each operating system has its own purpose (with a lot of overlap with the other operating systems, of course). I use MacOS, GNU/Linux, Windows. Each OS has required me to learn something and I don't regret the time spent learning.
I run the same distro on my notebook since years now and don't have any troubles. Everything just works. So it would be free for me. (Unlike as with my other notebook from work that is running windows...)
However I don't actively work on the Kernel or any distro. Those people are paying. We should give something back to them.
And then come Telegram groups that scream weekly to update Windows, because otherwise it won't function or there is yet another critical vulnerability that stems from the ugly mishmash of an operating system. Absoluuuutely missing that time I had to update the garbage into more garbage.
I'm better off doing my normie video editing and graphic design on systems that actually value my time as a user. Fedora, Mint, PopOS, Elementary, there are quite respectable choices to make in distro world!
My recentset uses some of the most recent hardware and unfortunately I wasn't able to use Linux Mint. After looking into the problem I discovered I needed to use the linux kernal 6.11 and on. Without conferguring everything, I resigned myself to opt into Ubuntu 24.10. From there it's been a lot of troubleshooting. Thanks to the most recent bios update and removing "quiet splash" almost everything is working. At least enough for me not to worry about
Completely untrue. Installing Linux Mint* takes about 20 minutes and updating all software happens with a single click (nothing done without approval). Windows takes far longer to install and there's no one click update of software from various sources.
Yes, there are distros that require more active maintenance, just as there vehicles. Frankly, Linux to Windows is like an EV compared to manual transmission ICE car.
I don't understand the connection between the cost of something and how you value your time. There's no message here to respond to. If someone said this to you in person it wouldn't merit a response.
To me the "free as in speech" aspect is more important than the "free as in beer" aspect. As far as my time goes I find Linux is normally on par or better than other OSes for routine use. There is still a wide gulf between Linux and other desktop OSes when it comes to the ease of setting up specialty use cases. That only changes when some company or organization is incentivized to change it. Gaming through Proton is a good example of this.
mbeddedDev
in reply to It's FOSS • • •In my case: There was some learning curve in the beginning end sometimes a little bit from time to time. But in general: I need less time (and much less stress) compared to some other OS where every update breaks something or results in data-loss and restoration.
I mean: I heard that Arch should required a lot of time to understand everything. With Mint and Debian I'm running fine π
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in reply to It's FOSS • • •3. If we understand Linux as a profession, working Linux is a way to trade time for money, so we would be in the first case.
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in reply to It's FOSS • • •It's free as used in freedom not as used in terms of costs.
If you really want to see it in terms of costs: I help (mostly elderly) people using tech, and I can't say that Windows is any better than Linux.
Windows Update -> Performance drops. New major release -> costly new hardware.
Clicked the wrong button/file -> Viruses (and man, this is time consuming).
Kaspersky, Avira etc. plays with the fears of Viruses. -> Confusion and Uncertainty
Installed two of my participants Linux (60 and 80 years old) all the above is gone. They tell me every month they've done updates, they love to update their system (don't know why, guest because it just works and feels good).
They saved a lot of money cause they can use their "old" hardware and so on and so on.
Felix
in reply to It's FOSS • • •Maintaining Linux costs to much time, but is currently the least time-consuming option we have (unless you choose Debian or Arch...)
Spokeek
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in reply to It's FOSS • • •I think this is a common statement from people who were taught to use Windows in their childhood. In fact, as others have said here, people forget that it was also necessary to learn Windows.
In my opinion, each operating system has its own purpose (with a lot of overlap with the other operating systems, of course). I use MacOS, GNU/Linux, Windows. Each OS has required me to learn something and I don't regret the time spent learning.
More Seaweeds
in reply to It's FOSS • • •I think in the long run Linux might save you some times.
Roman Oswald
in reply to It's FOSS • • •I would say: not true. Installing Linux mint take 20 minutes. Installing windows 11 on the same computer about 2 hours.
Not mentioned the data security.
Helga Secures All the Things
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in reply to It's FOSS • • •the point is, it's kinda true.
I run the same distro on my notebook since years now and don't have any troubles. Everything just works. So it would be free for me. (Unlike as with my other notebook from work that is running windows...)
However I don't actively work on the Kernel or any distro. Those people are paying. We should give something back to them.
Franz Strebel
in reply to It's FOSS • • •anything takes time to learn but once a point is reached, Linux is just simpler to manage as it keeps it simple.
Nothing beats working with text files to configure stuff and then there is the excellent #ansible to do things en masse.
I have done admin for other systems as well and I find Linux the least time intensive, by a large margin.
MΔrtiΕΕ‘
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in reply to It's FOSS • • •And then come Telegram groups that scream weekly to update Windows, because otherwise it won't function or there is yet another critical vulnerability that stems from the ugly mishmash of an operating system. Absoluuuutely missing that time I had to update the garbage into more garbage.
I'm better off doing my normie video editing and graphic design on systems that actually value my time as a user. Fedora, Mint, PopOS, Elementary, there are quite respectable choices to make in distro world!
Make
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in reply to It's FOSS • • •From there it's been a lot of troubleshooting.
Thanks to the most recent bios update and removing "quiet splash" almost everything is working. At least enough for me not to worry about
ShyCake π³οΈβππ§β»οΈ
in reply to It's FOSS • • •At this point, I think the free mean more about freedom. As microsoft and apple are making the users the product nowadays.
Mek75
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in reply to It's FOSS • • •Completely untrue. Installing Linux Mint* takes about 20 minutes and updating all software happens with a single click (nothing done without approval). Windows takes far longer to install and there's no one click update of software from various sources.
Yes, there are distros that require more active maintenance, just as there vehicles. Frankly, Linux to Windows is like an EV compared to manual transmission ICE car.
*good alternative to Windows
Jesse Sealand
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in reply to It's FOSS • • •Not true at all. As a Linux user I save loads of time on antivirus scanning and solving endless issues which I had in Windows.
There is no perfect OS, but by using Linux you save time, money and sanity.
Alex
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