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in reply to Muse

I disagree with the empathy take-away. A nuance. Empathy is "being able to genuinely feel/understand what another feels", and if you understand that hitting someone will hurt them, AND you care about them, good deal. Wanting to stay friends is selfish (or can be). Caring for them and relating to how they feel is golden. To me (and everyone I studied with or read, including Carl Rogers) empathy is being able, actively or naturally, to "put yourself in another's shoes", full stop. It can lead to personal benefit, or be a strategy for doing harm, lots of things. Sorry to quibble. (with a meme!) That is just such an important concept. But yes, it's just a meme... so, in general, fine. 😀 Carl Rogers: "warmth, empathy, &. genuineness".
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in reply to Muse

One value is that it is important to stay on good terms with other people. So, with the second paragraph both empathy and values are represented.
in reply to Muse

We need morals in order to teach children who are too young to experience empathy just yet. However, since morals aren't attached to either empathy or ethics, they are where people will twist things. Values can be twisted as well through moral exclusion, eg "Value: kindness---but only toward people like me." Empathy is how I pulled myself out of my family's viewpoints. I then used ethics to shore up my position.
in reply to Muse

hm... ok, as long as it works, positive.
I'm not trying to troll or be (too) pedantic, sort of petty to argue with a mime's wording. As you illustrate, 'empathy' varies by age (not to mention form).
My roots were in 'humanism' (Rogers, Sullivan, Maslow, Beck) and I'm the first to apply the lens of (my longtime mantra) #ContextAndPerspective.

Not in the best mood, sorry, "empathizing" with what used to be my country & world.

in reply to Muse

@Michael Fenichel I'm working hard with people in #indivisible and #50501 to not only resist, but imagine the steps after we win. Because we will not have won until with have restructured things, so that our democracy is more robust.
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Good luck! I'm just a weary old psychologist who rode a little wave of #media revolution as I was mostly doing cognitive and personality testing, from cradle to grave, and Earth to some far out places. Marched against Nixon and did some tours with bands post-Woodstock, tuned into social and group dynamics along the way. Fast forward,.... Help, I'm a Rock! Resting before the next rock rolls.

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