The thing is... is there even any profit or gain in this? Are the people visiting shitty AI generated articles actually buying anything or clicking on Ads or whatever? If not, what's the point? Or is it just yet another grift where he can use this as evidence to sell some kind of course or service where he helps others to do the same?
This stuff is cancer. Searched for "Game XYZ crashes with error ZYX" - First page on Google is now filled with Ai Crap saying: "Update your driver and make sure your pc fulfills the minimal system requirements"
What the fuck...
We don't need websites which only exist to lure people with worthless Ai crap into them to show ads.
It worries me that some people believe it's ok to brag about these shitty behaviours & attitudes in the open (It most certainly means that they have a wide audience who also believe the same; which is even worse than the publicised fact in itself).
Thats 489509 people who now think that company is trash for wasting their time with AI generated chaff pages, the company will die like kelkooยฆbizrateยฆpixmaniaยฆdealtimeยฆpricerunnerยฆdooyooยฆpricegrabberยฆpricewatchยฆ resellerratingsยฆshopbotยฆcomparestorepricesยฆciaoยฆunbeatableยฆshoppingยฆepinionsยฆnextag and may others who tried that before them
Hence the need for hand-crafted, manually curated lists of websites and content! This is what Yahoo was back in the day. This is basically what a blogroll is. Takes some conscious effort but it's something anyone can do.
This is part of why I switched to Kagi Search instead of Google. They actively work to downrank these garbage websites because they are garbage, and you can block their domain(s) from your search results if you still see them. Very much worth the sub
@ploum @drewdevault because it genuinely does happen, all the time, they're just not hiding it any more and actively trying to get people to do it through them
Could you please add alt text on your images for the visually impaired ?
For instance :
Tweet from Jake Ward We pulled off an SEO heist that stole 3.6 million total traffic from a competitor. We got 489,509 traffic in October alone. Here's how we did it:
We pulled an SEO heist using AI.
Exported a competitor's sitemap
Turned their list of URLs into article titles
Created 1,800 articles from these titles at scale using AI18 months later, we have stolen:
I wonder if there could be some sort of copyright infringement case with the copying AND the-type of use for the URLs? I believe copying URLs is ok, but the way they were used here is different in that they are not linking back to the original articles. @mgeist
People like this look at the Internet and AI with the same eyes an oil executive looks at a nature preserve... an unexploited resource, and they don't give a shit how much chaos they cause in exploiting it.
Right, let me get this straight. He makes sure his AI written articles (i.e pure shit that's useful to no one) show up above a competitor on google. The ONLY money he's making on this is from the malware ads on his site, destroying any reputation his business ever had in the process, and he's bragging about it like he invented the wheel? Average shitter user IQ on this one, clearly ๐
What is even the point of this, though? Like, _how_ did "stealing" all this traffic turn into revenue, if it in fact was good for anything but bragging rights?
Content Growth is an SEO-focused content marketing agency that helps software companies get more qualified traffic, leads, and customers through content.
@campuscodi one of the downsides of social media is that you can say things without consequence that if you said them in person, you'd get an incredulous "what the fuck is wrong with you?!?" at the least, and more likely a very deserved smack in the mouth.
That is truly unethical. I would never get a product from that company or even use their service. He even has the audacity to brag about it online. I hope he and his company gets sued big time for what he has done.
I saw a (somewhat) less egregious email newsletter a few weeks ago where a dev bragged about using identifying a spreadsheet full of keywords for his content and then feeding those keywords into ChatGPT to generate SEO-optimized headlines and then making another pass to generate the post content. Which seemed less predatory at first glance, but then it's still just automating content farming and providing nothing new to society.
@PragmaticAndy that explains why it had been impossible to find anything on Google for the last 9 months. I am teaching class and looking for illustrations I used last year, but all I am finding are coding bootcamp advertisements.
The whole point of "search engine optimization" is to con someone to click on their link instead of the one that contains what the searcher was trying to look for.
1) their site/client's site was significantly more authoritative than this competitor. (Either that or the competitor's content was woeful, the only ways new pages could beat old pages so quickly)
2) google isn't yet good enough at penalising AI spam. Mostly because it is only an AI itself, so it has exactly the same shortfalls
Wait a year or two, AI spam content will disappear and the companies who did it at scale will also disappear.
This is garbage, but probably not because it actually worked. If this really worked they would not brag about it and let everyone else know what to do. The guy is likely just trying to get clout through hate-reposting.
@Barredo Does he say what โAIโ tools they used to do this? ChatGPT isnโt 18 months old, so Iโd love to know what heโs talking about. I donโt want to do it, but Iโm 50% curious and 50% pretty sure heโs lying about something in this timeline.
encountering stuff like this all the time, and before GPT it was just random pages filled with keywords or sites that scrape sources and just repost their content. I'm surprised search engines don't have tools to block results from specific domains on all future searches (or I haven't found said tools).
yep, but they are clearly bragging about it because the guy's company is selling scam-as-a-service.
Sadly it's only a matter of time before clients start asking us web developers why we are not building them sites that generate thousands of garbage posts per hour, because that's what it takes to make the front page of Google.
"we made a huge pile of shit, then pushed people (our potential clients) into it (so they waste their time being covered in shit). We're very proud. Also trendy word." I miss the old internet sometimes
we're running out of time. how long until the ads/tracking, clickbait, influencers, trolls and spam completely ruin the open web? time to start stockpiling useful information before it's all buried under a mountain of seo spam bs. maybe I'll go buy some books?
wait... This guy is proud about having directed millions of people to nonsense pages written by AI most likely not containing any logical information, especially not the info those people were looking for?
So they get all the traffic and have to pay for it. The competitor doesn't get much traffic anymore. Was that the goal? Because luring users to a nonsense page won't sell their own product or service.
Add this to the many "I did this thing that takes other people's effort and makes me money because I'm a greedy piece of shit and capitalism loves people like me." list.
I thought simple news aggregators were shitty enough and then some fuckhead like that dude comes along.
His LinkedIn profile reads like a crypto-bro (honestly, WTF is a "blog-investor").
imagine having such confidence that you proudly announce you created vast quantities of garbage just so people would look at your site (which is filled with garbage) instead of another site (which presumably has actual information)
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •Are the people visiting shitty AI generated articles actually buying anything or clicking on Ads or whatever?
If not, what's the point?
Or is it just yet another grift where he can use this as evidence to sell some kind of course or service where he helps others to do the same?
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •This stuff is cancer.
Searched for "Game XYZ crashes with error ZYX" - First page on Google is now filled with Ai Crap saying: "Update your driver and make sure your pc fulfills the minimal system requirements"
What the fuck...
We don't need websites which only exist to lure people with worthless Ai crap into them to show ads.
๐JR๐
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •Apicultor ๐
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •>We got 489,509 traffic in October alone
If I inject 3 traffic today, is this how it ends?
Catherine is not complacent
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •Complaining is pointless because this guy is not the problem.
Realise this is capitalism, the problem is the system we allow to exist, and that's it.
Either we recognise that and change the system or we have to suck it up.
Yes he's unethical, because capitalism is unethical, as defined by legislation and those who lobby and craft it with our consent or acquiescence.
This guy is not the problem, we are.
Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •I think the brand damage they've done to their site is massive.
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •@drewdevault : before any outcry, ask some basic questions:
1. Is this traffic number real? Or mostly populated by bots? (like most web traffic).
2. How could he even know that the traffic has been "stolen from a competitor" or been caused by SEO?
3. Besides costing more on the AWS bill, has that traffic improved anything for the business? Are there really more customers?
Remember: this kind of business is "feelgood-lies-as-a-service" for ill-advised CEO.
Nothing to seeโฆ
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •Could you please add alt text on your images for the visually impaired ?
For instance :
#ALT4you
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Thanks for shitting up search, asshole. Like it wasn't bad enough BEFORE this.
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(friends don't let friends share alt-textless screenshots.
actual source for previous toot:
nitter.net/jakezward/status/17โฆ
web.archive.org/web/2023112712โฆ)
Jake Ward (@jakezward)
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •Can we re-brand them as "misdirection agents"?
The whole point of "search engine optimization" is to con someone to click on their link instead of the one that contains what the searcher was trying to look for.
JTW, Cornell '91
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •this only worked because of 2 things:
1) their site/client's site was significantly more authoritative than this competitor. (Either that or the competitor's content was woeful, the only ways new pages could beat old pages so quickly)
2) google isn't yet good enough at penalising AI spam. Mostly because it is only an AI itself, so it has exactly the same shortfalls
Wait a year or two, AI spam content will disappear and the companies who did it at scale will also disappear.
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •I am mostly baffed by the unit of "traffic"
What is one traffic? A car, a road, a locomotive?
(Also I can assume it means clicks, but just... use clicks???)
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •yep, but they are clearly bragging about it because the guy's company is selling scam-as-a-service.
Sadly it's only a matter of time before clients start asking us web developers why we are not building them sites that generate thousands of garbage posts per hour, because that's what it takes to make the front page of Google.
It's-a me Shaw
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •http :verified:
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •The competitor doesn't get much traffic anymore. Was that the goal?
Because luring users to a nonsense page won't sell their own product or service.
D's lack of faith in humanity
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐ง๐ฎ • • •Add this to the many "I did this thing that takes other people's effort and makes me money because I'm a greedy piece of shit and capitalism loves people like me." list.
I thought simple news aggregators were shitty enough and then some fuckhead like that dude comes along.
His LinkedIn profile reads like a crypto-bro (honestly, WTF is a "blog-investor").
LR
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