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in reply to Jen Sorensen

I feel like the only solution to the Doom Spiral, given human nature, is that rocks and sticks be the only available weapons.
in reply to Jen Sorensen

Perfectly true. But…"innocent people" vs. "civilians" is a significant framing choice.
in reply to Rick Thoman

@AlaskaWx I try not to use the same words twice in a row; IMO they are interchangeable
in reply to Jen Sorensen

most of Hamas's attackers would have been children during Operation Cast Lead.
in reply to Jen Sorensen

let the bias aside, that's what happening all around.
The words "innocent people" and "civilians" should have the same meaning in this frame of references, otherwise it's again a biased tool to ligitimise the response.
in reply to Jen Sorensen

Pre-script here has a number of parallels in the Dresden raids, insofar as the moral imperatives of the two sides. Post-script will probably also be similar...

But let's talk after Hamas has been eliminated as a force. Civilians between two warring parties have always been at risk. Civilians independently massacred or killed in gas chambers are something else entirely.

in reply to Jen Sorensen

It's easier to blame your neighbor for all your problems then your relatives.
in reply to one non-non-blonde

I despise the implication that a fascistic government is some kind of force of nature in response to Palestinians acting a certain way.

No. It’s an ongoing conscious, cruel choice. It doesn’t matter how armed Hamas is or isn’t. It doesn’t matter what they are doing. The system would oppress them for another 100 years if left unchallenged. It simply must be dismantled.

in reply to one non-non-blonde

@chairgirlhands The cartoon certainly isn't saying that. It's a critique of the ongoing oppression of Palestinians.
in reply to one non-non-blonde

@chairgirlhands The cartoon is intentionally symbolic and non-specific so people can see the underlying cycle of apartheid that leads to violence. The first panel is not *literally* endorsing putting people in an open air prison for security reasons -- it's describing the big picture and the justification that is given by the state.
in reply to Jen Sorensen

I'm not a flowchart connoisseur but usually these things are interpreted as literal cause and effect, not the *alleged* cause and effect cited by a bad actor.

The justification given by the state is not the real reason. They would build their open air prison regardless of what their opposition was doing. You could have zero extremists and it would still happen.

And such extremists are cited not just to justify, but because the state *knows* that those extremists are the greatest threat to their existence. Accepting their alleged cause and effect is dangerous and serves their agenda.

in reply to Jen Sorensen

It's a deliberate spiral meant to enable more genocide and ethnic cleansing. Watch: Israel will flatten northern Gaza with bombs and put a wall across the southern portion, locking the survivors into an even smaller space. Then they will build beach resorts on northern Gaza and pretend that proves they are better than Palestinians.
in reply to Jen Sorensen

There is no point of return or reform, after what thdey did to Khan Younis, it is only Palestine or Israel.

Pick your side.

in reply to Jen Sorensen

And this is true for the countries created after WW2 by external powers, taking away land and assigning it to other populations. Such as for Israel and Pakistan. And presuming that would work without just putting a lid on a boiling pot that would later spill over violently.
in reply to Jen Sorensen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAL2c0eYYsE
in reply to Jen Sorensen

I feel like this cartoon has been made by one artist or another or another, mutatis mutandis, for most of my adult life.

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