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My opinion is that forth is the idiot's language which is best suited -for common people who are being shuffled into this age of computer literacy, kicking and screaming.
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Tor Lillqvist
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Are you suggesting the people at Sun who developed OpenBoot, which later became OpenFirmware, were idiots who didn't know computers?
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Devine Lu Linvega
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@tml This is not my own writing, and I doubt this is what C. H. Ting is suggesting either(that was written prior to openfirmware), but keep pulling on that thread and it may lead to why this language was chosen as a front-end for users to interface with.
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LR
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forth is not that great.
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hehe. yeah ok but the argument is likely that it's too high level, right?
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Devine Lu Linvega
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No, no, this book is like a .. early "Learning X for idiots", the author says you don't need to rely on a language's high priests to learn how to do any one thing, the language will enable the average cretin to get where they want to go.
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ok but that's just what i contest. the "cretins" that it might attract might still not be average enough.
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Devine Lu Linvega
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@lritter oh you meant great as in accessible? If so, yeah, I'm not sure, it's hard to say. I have .. toughts
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Haelwenn /элвэн/
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Well probably comparable to the original Thompson Shell (same era).
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Devine Lu Linvega
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@lanodan @lritter yeah, there's a couple of these "simple" ideas which span an amount of irreducible complexity, which is not in itself simple at all.
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@lritter Relative to 1984 it might be accurate, however. Like BASIC is not really that easy. It's easy to learn but that's not the same as it being easy to do things in.
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Devine Lu Linvega
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@mcc @lritter Have you ever come across this episode of Computer Chronicles? I think it still is true today X)
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@mcc @lritter Were you looking for the episode with Elizabeth Rather? I've got that filed away somewhere.
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Devine Lu Linvega
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I have both, but I meant to share this segment when the guest says none of the standard programming languages are appropriate for the end user, not even BASIC.
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@mcc heh. evergreen quote. but i like to think i'm about to crack it. might still take 1-2 years.
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Devine Lu Linvega
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I can't wait to see what you come up with! The best contender I've ever come across is still this(fractran): wiki.xxiivv.com/site/pocket_re…

I'm always on the lookout for even more distilled and approachable interfaces for computing.


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@mcc the key is datalog. i saw an inkscape in there, a game engine, a database system, the important bit is flattened composition, and a visualizable approach. hard to explain. i go entirely by intuition.
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Devine Lu Linvega
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I think you're right, datalog/parlog is what lead me there too. Keep it up, I love following your experiments toward that.
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@lritter @mcc I'll be honest, my recent discovery of Inform 7 has made me re-evaluate the possibility of natural languages for programming.
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forth shares a weird attribute I also see in scheme: It allows for neat high level DSLs and very abstract code and it's clear that's the intention of the language, but the fundamentals are in some ways even lower level than C
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Devine Lu Linvega
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it has "spatiality" which fires a part of my brain that only some 2D cellular automata do, which I find quite interesting from a UX perspective since it's usually not something that we content with in most programming languages.
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@lhp
I never thought of that but spatiality does indeed seem to be the thing that attracts me to it. Similar to Smalltalks.
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Devine Lu Linvega
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@kirtai I've been day dreaming about making a self implementation for uxn, something about that 8 opcodes VM feels like it would be fun play with..
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