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Reddit, where sanity goes to die. According to Reddit, it's perfectly fine to list a game like GTA V Enhanced as Playable on Steam Deck, even though online play is intentionally blocked, because single-player works.

reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/commentโ€ฆ

Person 1: "Hey guys, check out GTA V Enhanced on Steam Deck. It's Playable!!"

Person 2 who just bought it: "Uh, but online doesn't work?"

Person 1: "But it's Playable offline!"

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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

When you look over Reddit comments on Steam Deck ratings, they swing wildly between these sorts of things depending on the game and the persons mood:

- "It clearly deserves to be playable, even though online doesn't work"
- "It shouldn't be verified, it dips once below 30FPS!"

in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

i think you can sort all of humanity in those 2 categories.
Edit: that was ambiguous, i meant "humanity can be sorted in 2 categories depending n which comment they make."
Much less witty with that ilger explanation though ๐Ÿ™
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in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

#reddit is good for porn and nothing else. The company (!) gives a shit about what people are posting or commenting. Therefore Reddit is like X: an ugly place to be ...
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

I'm fighting through Horizon Forbidden West despite all the non playables, but aiming at 30fps is hard ๐Ÿ™‚
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

No one in the thread appears to have read the Valve docs, trying to reason with them is a waste of effort.
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

I still don't understand why Valve doesn't have a 'Partially Playable' rating for stuff like this.

the gulf between "doesn't work at all" (implied by 'Unsupported') and "all modes of the game work" is vast.

that and their docs don't actually specify 'fully functional' for Playable (it's implied by the definition of Verified and their examples of 'Playable' issues), tbf, which would lead to this kind of inconsistency from interpretation.

in reply to Lyrenhex

@lyrenhex because the idea is to keep it simple, the more extra categories they add, the more confusing it is for people - this is meant for normies to pick up and play as much as for the rest of us that understand and have time to dive into the ins and outs like protondb
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

@lyrenhex it isn't that rare, for example there are 2 categories for controller support, "partial controller compatibility" and "total controller compatibility" and people don't get confused there.
in reply to RiQuY (Ricardo-Stryki)

@RiQuY @lyrenhex which is already bundled into deck verified

there is no point in adding category after category, giving people a longer and longer list to read to know if the game is playable on a *specific* system or not

in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

thinking about it, though, this would make it simpler for 'normies', I think?

right now, we have inconsistency between whether 'Playable' means the entire game is playable or just a single mode of it. whichever of those is 'correct' is irrelevant for as long as the specification is ambiguous enough to allow it to happen. instead, you have to refer to 3rd-party testing - a la ProtonDB - to work out if GTA V supports Online...

(aside: saying that Playable requires both modes to be functional is also not ideal rn: some people won't want to play Online, so it's giving them more work to identify if it's actually non-functional or if it's good enough for them to play.)

A 'Partially Playable' (or equiv. wording) category would solve the ambiguity ('Playable' must hence be completely functional), and make this simpler: GTA V is Partially Playable (which part should be noted in the support modal).

Because some people will not want to play GTA Online and would be fine with that. For others, no GTA Online is a dealbreaker and being advertised as 'Playable' would feel like a scam.

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in reply to Lyrenhex

@lyrenhex @RiQuY no, the rating is fine as it is, it doesn't need another category

verified: everything works
playable: has some minor issues
unsupported: major stuff doesn't work

people want to keep making it more complicated, doesn't make them correct

Valve just need to be consistent on it, adding even more to it will make inconsistencies even worse

in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

@lyrenhex i think you are right about keeping the playable/verified status as how they work right now, but, seeing a "supports Multiplayer/don't support" would make my life easier.
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

"playable" is a word that aways sparks caution in me. It's loaded word in this context, and implies numerous problems or short-comings
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

I regret opening this, it's stupid how much u got dowvoted DESPITE giving a sound reason why that (playable) rating could be deemed inaccurate
in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

That is what "playable" means. Furthermore, this is the price one pays to be a consumer of corporate products โ€” to never receive the full product all at once.

Solution: Don't consume corporate products as long as that's the situation.

in reply to OtterCynical

@ottercynical No, it's not what Playable means.

Playable means it has specific mostly minor issues, but the game can still be fully playable.

An entire major part of the game being blocked is not playable.

in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

My experience reading compatibility lists over the last 17 years and testing the outcomes myself seems to inform me otherwise?
in reply to OtterCynical

@ottercynical it doesnโ€™t matter what you think of the word Playable, what matters is Valveโ€™s rating and documentation.

A game with a major feature, what most people go for, being blocked is *not* playable by anyone with common sense

in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

This entry was edited (8 months ago)
in reply to OtterCynical

@ottercynical I'm not reading all that, refer to my prev reply.

If anyone thinks "Playable" should apply to a game with a major feature blocked, they're wrong.

in reply to Liam @ GamingOnLinux ๐Ÿง๐ŸŽฎ

Verified, of course not. Playable would be OK for me as long as they add a bullet warning about non-working online modes. I seldom play online games.

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