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I have to admit, the performance of a Chromium-based browser compared to Firefox is abysmal. I don't have that many tabs but it lags a lot and the browser constantly puts tabs in hibernation to save memory--something I've never needed with Firefox. So all of you Chrome users live like this? No wonder RAM is in high demand.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I do like the functionality of vivaldi though, it's got a couple nice tweaks.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

If it keeps being a problem for you, you could try @zenbrowser instead. Based on Firefox, and they recently tooted that they're not going to implement the AI stuff coming from there.
@Zen
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Why not trying #librewolf ? It is basically #firefox without all the garbage and a few privacy-oriented tweaks.
in reply to Tacháaan!

@tachan If I had to use #LibreWolf I feel like I would have to undo all of the "tweaks". Doesn't the browser delete all cookies by default when you close it?
in reply to Tacháaan!

@tachan Right. This kind of default tells me the people who make that browser don't use the web like a normal person, so we'll always be at odds with each other.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@tachan I decided to stick with Firefox as long as its features can be customized, since no fork can offer the same security guarantees in terms of rapid patching.

All AI features can be disabled directly in about:config (my choice)

askubuntu.com/posts/1556089/re…

or by using a ready-made configuration file

justthebrowser.com/firefox/

in reply to Eugen Rochko

you’re more in control and aware of your settings this way. How is this a problem?

I’m using #Librewolf for months now and am very happy with it.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

@tachan You'd need to do it once and never again - not sure why that's a problem.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I'd opt for Librewolf. Free and libre, based on the fox, focuses on security and privacy, decent performance.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I've had the exact opposite experience. I evaluated Firefox for several weeks and had to abondoned it due to slow performance. Goes to show how much individual setups can impact the experience. I'm running Vivaldi on a Dell workstation running Ubuntu. I have 64gb of ram and an older Xeon processor.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

you can test @librewolf, Firefox without IA and improvements in optimization and tracking
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Aye, high RAM use is the main misgiving I have about my own preferred Chromium-based Qutebrowser. (The other that, despite being a substantial piece of software, it's written in a scripting, rather than system programming language.)
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I had been using Firefox on my Android phone because, unlike mobile Chrome, it runs extensions I want, UBlock Origin and Privacy Badger. But I hate the new AI focus of Firefox. Vivaldi doesn't allow extensions either.

About 10 days ago I switched to the Waterfox browser, a Firefox fork, and love it. It effortlessly let me sign in to my FF account and transferred my bookmarks. Extensions: no problem. It's run flawlessly. Not a hint of AI.

@Waterfox
#Vivaldi_browser
#FireFox

in reply to Eugen Rochko

You can try this for Firefox

toot.community/@corbin/1158886…

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Never had this issue, but I do have lots of RAM. You can customize the settings for this memory saver feature support.google.com/chrome/answ…
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Vivaldi is the only Chromium browser I've experienced that on. It definitely feels like the most bloated. I've been using Helium but it doesn't support DRM so no Netflix but otherwise it's the lightest and fastest Chromium browser I've tried.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

have you looked into Librewolf or Zen browser ? Also If your MacOs while unfinished Orion is a pretty fast and pretty private
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

I have been using Vivaldi now for some years. I did try Firefox recently but its really lagged behind.

However for me, Vivaldi has a great productivity integration. We spend lot of time in browsers and having my mail, calendar and other things like that in one place does save me time.

It was my main reason to choose it.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

another vote for Zen browser. Has the Firefox rendering engine, a user interface inspired by Arc, and absolutely no AI whatsoever. It also works with Firefox sync so your FF profile should carry over flawlessly. Give it a shot.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

You have to disable the "delete cookies and history after closing" once, and then never again. It's just hitting a tickbox in the settings.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

in my experience, Vivaldi feels very sluggish compared to other Chromium browsers. Not saying you made the wrong choice or that you should use something different, just adding my own experience fwiw.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Chrome / Chromium is a resource hog. I hate it and try to never use it

I've got major issues with Mozilla and Firefox

in reply to Eugen Rochko

As I remember, you can disable it. Check the settings. I've never had this problem: on old PCs Vivaldi works much better than Firefox.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

You can disable memory saving mode in your browser settings, which is located in the "Performance" category.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I thought it was the reverse! 😯

So, I'll stick with Firefox (disabling IA features).

in reply to Eugen Rochko

My own experience is opposite — Firefox doesn't feel as smooth as Vivaldi. But I'm also kinda privileged because I have way too much RAM 😁
in reply to Eugen Rochko

On Windows 10/11 on different PCs and CPUs, I can't see any difference in daily use between Firefox and Vivaldi. Maybe Edge is a little snappier but nothing dramatic.
As already noted you can disable the hibernation feature in the settings.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

LibreWolf is firefox based, doesn't currently have AI, and supports uBlock (I think it may come by default but I install it a weird way so I'm not sure).

Can't tell you about the rest of it. Not sure if it not having AI is just a face thing or not, but I never have to look at it (except it's in all the search engines now too and librewolf clears preferences that turn it off by default).

in reply to Eugen Rochko

still on Firefox here, same experience with Chrome, memory management is abysmal
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I never have any issues with my chromium based browsers. I use Trivalent on Linux and Vanadium on GrapheneOS
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

When chrome first introduced tab hibernation, i noticed immediately and foiund the needed flags to disable that bullshit.

I only use chrome as the work computer browser, but that "feature" made my work day miserable.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I will say it’s far better compared to normal chrome or even chromium, so they have done *some* optimization. would love to see it adopt an alternative engine like Servo once that becomes viable for usage!
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Firefox imo is still great, provided you choose a fork that removes the things you don't want or need. Librewolf's been my daily driver for years and it works great.

librewolf.net/

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I keep it even simpler than this. I use the browser that uBlock devs recommend. And it's been Firefox every time.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I cannot really compare as I use Vivaldi as my primary browser with lots of tabs left open.

I use LibreWolf differently normally in private browsing mode for searches, route planning or reading the news.

Especially where a website makes you choose between accepting tracking or logging in.

I have other browsers installed for single uses - Chromium for Wire IM and nothing else.

I have noticed that the Helium browser (not using Helium services) feels much faster than Chromium.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Huh. I open a bunch of tabs first thing each morning (like 90+ in one window and some fewer in another) and Vivaldi is MUCH faster than FF ever was.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

the performance of a Chromium-based browser compared to Firefox is abysmal.

Absolutely not, pls compare with UngoogledChromium.

You can install UBlock from
github.com/gorhill/uBlock/rele… as an unpacked extension.
Switch on developer mode in the extensions page of Ungoogled.

No need to let play store track you

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I can't daily drive a Chromium browser; it feels weird. I have custom user.js and policies files for Firefox. When I place both in the right directories, I don't need to change a thing in the settings.

github.com/fahim-ahmed05/dotfi…

in reply to Eugen Rochko

my experience with chromium-based browsers (including vivaldi) is rather flawless. Something must be off.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Really? @Vivaldi is actually the snappiest Chromium browser I have tried. It's certainly not slower than Firefox on my machines.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

such a shame Firefox stopped being a real alternative. It has a better core, but they are just afraid doing it differently than Chrome for some reason
in reply to Eugen Rochko

it’s Firefox’s lack of modern standard support and worse dev tools that keep me away
in reply to Spencer

@chemicalheadset You can't be for real, Firefox dev tools are far more extensive than what Chrome offers.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

chromium ones have nice integration with vscode and a set of matching keyboard shortcuts. Plus I really like the profiler, but this is all just preference I suppose.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Although Brave is based on Chrome, it is a completely different browser. By default, it blocks ads and much more, and it doesn't lag even with 100 tabs open. You just have to try it. And in addition, there is the Duckduckgo.com search engine.
in reply to HerrUncle

Brave being founded and lead by a massive homophobe is a deal breaker for me.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

unfortunately ram usage is only part of the equation. Especially on mobile, Firefox (and/or Waterfox) regularly scroll terribly, break sites, or just load extremely slowly. As a web dev it's also frustratingly slow at implementing new standards. I want to use something other than Chromium, but it's becoming rather difficult.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I've tried Chrome on and off for many years.
Never managed to get on with it.
Most of the plugins don't work right and barely any privacy/adblock plugins work at all.
Pages would render only half way a lot of the time, other times IE would load instead and show the xml of the page that the link to download something would use.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Out of curiosity, did you check Helium vs Chromium? I was wondering if you noticed a difference tho I am quite pleased with Firefox (let’s see if I still am if they stuff AI weirdness in it…)
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Now take that information and couple it with the fact that a lot of business apps are now Electron-based. The only thing worse than running out of memory because of Chromium is running out of memory because you have 3 wholly separate instances of Chromium running with no shared resources.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I could never understand the RAM discussions about Firefox and Chromium. For me: Firefox with one tab open (about:addons) uses 1 GB of RAM, and with one additional website tab open, it jumps to 1.5 GB. Vivaldi with 41 tabs only uses 1.7 GB of RAM (but I don’t know how many of those 41 tabs are hibernated - at least 7 are not)
in reply to Eugen Rochko

That’s always been the nagging issue with Chromium-based web browsers, and it’s why Safari is still, since I started using it in 2008, my default browser. I use Vivaldi as my secondary browser.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I have to admit, the performance of a Chromium-based browser compared to Firefox is abysmal. I don't have that many tabs but it lags a lot and the browser constantly puts tabs in hibernation to save memory--something I've never needed with Firefox. So all of you Chrome users live like this? No wonder RAM is in high demand.

UgoogledChromium is lighter on memory than both firefox and vivaldi.

It also is quiet, aka not transmitting your data anywhere unless you tell it to do so.

This entry was edited (1 week ago)

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