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Regarding my last post. "Art isn't dead, you're just stuck watching corporate sh**" (Disney/Marvel/DC/EA Games/Blizzard/ Activision)

I was talking with a friend about it.
90% of what I consume is indie media. Bcz I learned habits that allow me to find cool indie stuff seamlessly.

But it can be hard for ppl who are used to just consume what is trending, to just go off the grid with their media.

Maybe we need something like a "manual to abandon corporate media". It could be a Zine.

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dancing in dystopia
dancing in dystopia
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I would definitely read a zine like that and maybe even contribute something! I'm no expert on browsing through indie media, but I think I could recommend some bands or movies that are relatively under the radar... Something like "Nine Obscure Pieces of Media and How Did I Find Them" (yay for silly titles)
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@dancingindystopia oh cool, I would love suggestions.

I think it's better to teach *how* to find, then making a catalogue of suggestions. Those can get dated some day, it'll run out and people will just go back to what they are used to.

If people learns how to find what they like on the other hand... it's harder to do. But teach a man how to fish and all that.
@dancing in dystopia
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Bears Shouting
Bears Shouting
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The real shit is always found at the indie scene.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@BearsShouting I don't like taking absolute opinions. Like, sometimes there are good stuff on mainstream media. But it's rare...

There's this feeling that most people has nowadays that, everything being released is just corporate low effort give me money bs.

So I just decided to stop wasting time. Like weaponized indifference. You can just... stop consuming it almost completely.

I'm kind of baffled that this is considered an "amazing take". I feel like captain obvious rn.
@Bears Shouting
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Bears Shouting
Bears Shouting
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It’s agree. I did have a first line saying ‘Once in a blue moon the stars align and gives us something pure..’ wish I left it in haha. Thought it was more to the point without it.

I find there are many people that think this, but they don’t make the noise, it can be seen as cynical.

Honestly since ‘rejecting’ triple A. I’ve been adoring games again. Ultrakill, Gloomwood, Weird West. Just to name a few. There’s mountains. No grind just game.

You just need to go looking.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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I think they are seen as cynical because they often just complain without suggesting a better way. So they just sound like doomers.

Or maybe they are arrogant about it, because people in the indie zone can have a weird superiority complex over the "tasteless masses".

This is a problem that's easy to solve if the word spreads to just be chill about it, and not be overly negative.
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Bears Shouting
Bears Shouting
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Well it’s like you said there’s no absolute.

People are individuals and all have their own reasonings and ideas. It’s hard to give that an one and all answer.

We just gotta help and support each other the best we can without expecting it from others and just continue on our way.

Also being able to talk and respect those we disagree with or have strong opinions against. It’s hard to do, but I find curiosity is better than mocking a person for not aligning with you.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@BearsShouting one argument I've heard of ditching corporate media is that you have to sift thru a lot of bad stuff in order to find the good ones.

But now that I think about it, I think this is the same if you stay with AAA games for example. :thinkingg:
@Bears Shouting
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Bears Shouting
Bears Shouting
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Yeah haha

I saw one person say they’d rather play sims 4 than sims 2 just because of the graphics. Complain about the money. But some people do just want pretty game. Haha

It is what it is.

Plus I find keeping ones nose out of game media increases my enjoyment of games. Not sure what people think of the game and don’t know much about it, but my favourite games were all ones I never saw coming.
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Andrew (Television Executive)
Andrew (Television Executive)
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I'd be down for that.

I'm working on a piece of a zine right now about the early history of DIY TV (and, you know, I do a lot of #diymedia stuff like https://newellijay.tv)

New Ellijay Television – Participate in Local TV with the Ellijay Makerspace

newellijay.tv
#diymedia
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@ajroach42 oh that's really cool. Do you have like a "beta" version I could check? Even if it's not ready?

Also this is actually really cool. I've been getting into decentralized/open source media lately. Maybe check Peer tube? I'm thinking about starting to upload videos there eventually.
@Andrew (Television Executive)
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Andrew (Television Executive)
Andrew (Television Executive)
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https://newellijay.tv is up.

https://vod.newellijay.tv is up.

The roku app is in beta. (vanity code newLIJtv )

New Ellijay TV

PeerTube, an ActivityPub-federated video streaming platform using P2P directly in your web browser.
vod.newellijay.tv
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@ajroach42 oh, as I said I'm new to this side of the internet. So all content on newellijay.tv can be found on the fediverse right?
@Andrew (Television Executive)
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@ajroach42 AWESOME, yeah it works!

I'm thinking about starting a peertube channel soon. And dabbling with other fediverse platforms like the instagram equivalent.

When I get a good understanding of this new way to consume media. I want to try and make a bunch of collabs with this.
@Andrew (Television Executive)
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Andrew (Television Executive)
Andrew (Television Executive)
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Pixelfed still had a ways to go the last time I looked at it, but it showed promise.

I wish you luck.
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Trung0246
Trung0246
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I feel like avoiding coporate games is much easier than avoiding coporate shows/movies due to abundant of good amount of indie games out there (and the number keep growing). Meanwhile not so much for indie shows/movies with budget or discoverability problems.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@trung0246
Same... kinda.

It's not a 100% replacement, but I just got used to watching "community made" content. Like webcomics, youtube channels (small to medium sized), there are several fiction podcasts and TTRPG series that are better than anything on streaming.

It's not the same, but those fulfill the same role.

Stuff that people make out of passion or a small DIY production is usually better quality as news sources, and fiction.
@Trung0246
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alcinnz
alcinnz
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I've certainly faced this challenge!

Its why I started assembling: https://adrian.geek.nz/movies !

Movie/Shows Recommendations

adrian.geek.nz
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@alcinnz Oh that's AWESOME! I've just bookmarked it. Can't believe doctor who is drm free!

There *should* be a website that recomends opensource, community made content. Like in general. Maybe not somewhere that hosts it, but like an index that can search and suggest stuff you might be interested in. With a decent review system.
@alcinnz
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alcinnz
alcinnz
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Thanks!

Regarding Doctor Who, there's nuance. BBC is extremely pro-DRM. But Big Finish Productions who make Doctor Who audiodramas with the old Doctors & Companions, do sell alltheir audiodramas DRM-free. Basically the same show, but without visuals.
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David
David
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If people aren't into the indie scene, getting them to try a zine may be a trick into itself 😀 Still it's a good idea and I notice how much mainstream I consume now.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@duskcomics That's a good point...

The hard part is that people are so used to mainstream media that they don't know *how* to consume anything else.

I sure wouldn't be able to circulate content like this on mainstream media. Since the system survives by co-opting and corrupting any form of counter culture willing to cooperate even a little bit.

What I can think right now is just being a sarcastic troll and bait normies with a title that'll make them think they can be cool by reading it.
@David
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David
David
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Make it seem so hip and underground people want to be seen as cool and withit 😀
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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On one side, yeah. But on the other... how do you make something intentionally hip and underground without turning into the most normie thing ever.

Like coca cola making ads with skateboarders, because their brand is so "radical" haha
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David
David
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And then dont fall into the trap of gatekeeping people who are really interested in new and undergroundthings.
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Jason
Jason
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zine++
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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What's a zine++, you're giving me a seal of approval or suggesting me something? lmao
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Jason
Jason
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the former but now I want to create the latter… 🤔🤔🤔
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Woozle Hypertwin
Woozle Hypertwin
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We also need, like, Guidebook for Fighting Off Relatives and Friends Who Absolutely Insist We Need to Watch This Latest Corporate Franchise Piece Because It's the Greatest Ever, because we always seems to have a huge backlog of corporate franchise stuff to watch.

We pirate all of it (so at least they're not getting any more money from us), and it's actually all pretty good (especially compared to what was available in the 1970s-1990s), but still -- I want to shift more eyeballs to good indy work, wherever possible.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@woozle I don't have an outline for it yet (just though about it in this afternoon) but I'm certain that a section about peer pressure will be necessary...

And short...

"Just say you'll watch it later, you'll put in the backlog blackhole, or outright say you are not interested if you really do not care.

Peer pressure only work if you care about being pressured. You can choose to be absolutely indifferent to it. And talk about anything else in conversations."
@Woozle Hypertwin
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"Author" Sam S. Darger
"Author" Sam S. Darger
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The idea of a zine sounds so delightfully vintage!
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@AuthorSSD Yeah and I like this aspect. I love writing and drawing and the format works really well for what I want to do.

(Less drawing than a comic, more drawing than a book.)

I can't really call it a zine though because the vast majority of ppl don't know what a zine is. :blobdisapproval:

So I just call it a minibook, or light novel for fiction.
@"Author" Sam S. Darger
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"Author" Sam S. Darger
"Author" Sam S. Darger
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So really just an underground, entirely indie anthology with a variety of work in it! There's definitely gotta be SOME kind of appeal for that, especially in smaller art scenes or art scenes too local for outsiders to otherwise come in.

I imagine a catalog variant of a zine could also work for artists and makers working with traditional mediums, who have art/stock to sell, etc.

I've thought about doing something similar myself, I just don't know many other artists.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@AuthorSSD the idea is to be more of a guide on how to find stuff yourself. Teach a man how to fish and all.

But with a bit of planning I might be able to host a catalogue of indie stuff that people can contribute on my website.

This can be a cool side-side project. To work on.

I can just put a big chunky QR code directing to it on the Zine eventually.
@"Author" Sam S. Darger
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A curse
A curse
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How do I sign up to contribute to the zine? I’m interested in consuming its content but maybe I can chip in too
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@hexvoid Well, you can follow me and I'll probably post about it whenever I have an outline to check if anyone wants to make a lil collab.

But I've been thinking about making a small discord channel where I and other creators can share or propose creative projects that people can volunteer to collab. May it be comics, zines and e.t.c.

It'll start small, and this can be my first project there.
@A curse
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Lex Tenebris
Lex Tenebris
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The inevitable and obvious problem is that a manual to abandon corporate media that was a zine would itself be indie stuff that nobody checked out.

A far better solution is to simply expand your circle of association and continue to talk about things you enjoy and why you enjoy them. And a link to where they can consume them.

Otherwise – why would normal people have a reason to care?
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@LexTenebris Yeah, that's the main point I've been thinking about.

Maybe I could make this like a zine on alternatives for people who are already kind of burnt out of traditional media.

But then it comes back to the point of how are the target audience going to reach this .

Alternatively, there was the suggestion of making something like an indie catalogue.

Which is a bit far from the original idea, but can also help if it is accessible enough.
@Lex Tenebris
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Lex Tenebris
Lex Tenebris
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At this point, it you are just talking about curation. And while curation is extremely useful, it still necessitates asking the question of why you should bother if you don't know who is going to read it?

Or, more succinctly, if you don't know who the real audience is going to be you can't actually reasonably design the publication.

Step one: imagine who the intended audience is and how you would have a conversation with them.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@LexTenebris while I have the Design skills I really am very newbish on the marketing side of everything.

The target audience would be people who are interested in finding indie, underground content. But don't know how to find it. So I would be offering a sort of starting point.
@Lex Tenebris
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Lex Tenebris
Lex Tenebris
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Don't think of it is marketing. That is the failure mode of a lot of designers; they imagine that this is something different than what they have been doing their whole life.

It's not.

Imagine telling people who don't necessarily know you yet about things you really like and getting them enthusiastic. Like your favorite art markers or brushes.

Where did the people you want to talk to spend their time?
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@LexTenebris People I would like to talk about stuff I'm passionate about... Well it would be people slightly nerdy but not too much.
Like people who are in shallow waters online and I'd love to show where the good stuff is.

Ppl like that would probably be using netflix or trad social media. Probably on Twitter or Reddit.
@Lex Tenebris
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Lex Tenebris
Lex Tenebris
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Then that's where you need to go. And you need to put the information together you would like to communicate in a relatively straightforward way that they are willing to check out.

Reddit posts might work combined with the relatively straightforward blogging solution; write.as would be just fine since it federates and has RSS.

The secret is being willing to go where the audience is.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@LexTenebris this is actually really good advice. It's really hard for me to think in marketing terms since it's not how my brain works.

It would be great to find a """marketing""" guide for creatives.
@Lex Tenebris
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Lex Tenebris
Lex Tenebris
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The Marketing Guide for Creatives is very simple:

Pretend that the people you want to talk to are human beings and proceed appropriately.

That's it. It also explains why so much of modern advertising fails to land in a solid and meaningful way. The people currently in marketing don't like or appreciate the people who have money in the audience.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@greypilgrim I don't specifically know much about movies. But I've got the hang of finding several indie series on youtube.

For some stuff I'll probably have to find and ask other über hipsters that got tired to traditional media haha.

One thing tip I can give right now is to just look into stuff not made in hollywood. So webseries or international movies. Like stuff made in eastern europe, asia, and south america. Those TEND to be much less corporate.
@greypilgrim
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I need a guide to "good music to study/relax" that doesn't have that horrid repetitive tinny percussion all the lofi has.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@BlinkPopShift lol, ok. Not necessarily on topic but I use playlists to focus.

I gotchu homie. No percussion? I try some sweet flutes and a dark ambience music.

That being said, for most people the beat is what helps you to focus. Since your mind will focus on the rhythm and not on four other things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I81QN7Dzgfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW_aqEl8kZI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1tYe3TkhTc

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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@greypilgrim about helping, since I've though about it like... A couple of hours ago, I don't know yet.

But I've saved your post and when I'm done with my current project I'll try to open source and look for people to share what needs to be done.

Since it's not really a "product" and I'll be sharing it for free. ppl tend to be very supportive.
@greypilgrim
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eviloatmeal
eviloatmeal
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For many, a big part is the social aspect. Being able to relate to the media that your friends and family consume. I would guess the problem is not so much the logistics of finding indie stuff, but more how will you get along with the people who consume the corporate shit.

When my friends are playing a Blizzard game, I have to sit out. When my friends are talking about capeshit, I have to sit out. It gets exhausting if you disconnect from everything they relate to.
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Nando's Brain
Nando's Brain
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@eviloatmeal Yeah, I don't think it's even feasable to try and disconnect from all corporate stuff. It's not 100% escapable.

Still, participation can be a choice. You can decide on what you'll participate if you have other options.

When you feel like it's all you can find you turn into a sort of prisioner. And the corpo ppl knows that they can do anything and you won't leave.
@eviloatmeal
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mondra
mondra
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one thing I can recommend is to visit your local art house cinema (if you happen to live in the vicinity of one). Also local film festivals are great, and very often free or cheaper than regular tickets. I work organizing those kinds of events so I have firsthand experience

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