I don’t like to mention that rich guy over at #Twitter, but he’s rambling on about #ClimateChange & agriculture, which is in my wheelhouse. And he is also unabashedly & absurdly wrong.
Misinformation on climate change is irresponsible & dangerous, so let’s be clear:
25% to 30% of global emissions come from our #food system.
As UT Austin’s Michael Webber describes, agriculture is a major cause, victim and - importantly - meaningful solution to #climate change.
More at https://ourworldindata.org/greenhouse-gas-emissions-food
How much of global greenhouse gas emissions come from food?
Estimates of food emissions can range from one-quarter to one-third. Where do these differences come from?Our World in Data
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Would it not drastically cut emissions?
Only if implemented it's hard to change the older generation because of stubbornness.
:blahaj: Why Not Zoidberg? 🦑
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •O! ver :neurodiversity:
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •I think what people always forget is that carbon models are always compartmentalized — but good production touches *everything*. And conventional farming uses *tons* of fossil fuels, at every step in the process.
Also, deforestation is a huge problem in terms of both new emissions but also our ability to sequester old ones.
rich1trotter
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •I assumed that he was wrong because
1) he's usually wrong
and
2) even my limited knowledge of agriculture led me to believe that it has a significant impact on climate.
Thank you for the expert point of view.
Heather Gray v2.0 (she/they)
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •I wonder how he thinks fossil fuels get into the atmosphere, without involving processes on the Earth's surface. All of the industries and transportation vehicles and farms are on the surface. If humans on the surface didn't use fossil fuels, we wouldn't be digging them up in the first place. Oil isn't just magically evaporating from deep underground, skipping the surface and messing up the atmosphere.
Sure we can ignore Elon, but this nonsense got millions of views
Outeast
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Special Report on Climate Change and Land — IPCC site
www.ipcc.chBmanNYC
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •First Musk came for high speed rail and then I knew he was full of sh*t.
https://amp.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article264451076.html
𝔼k 𝓋ℴ𝓃 𝕂𝔫ä𝔭𝔭𝔢𝔫𝔟𝔢𝔯g
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •JParsons
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •John Caveney woke is me🛠️
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •A significant, if not predominant, proportion of carbon footprint within the “#food system” comes from direct or indirect usage of fossil fuels, which include energy supply, fertilisers, supply chain and logistics, packaging / plastics, cooking and serving etc.
Therefore, from a purely scientific perspective, I am not sure your challenge to Musk’s statement stands as you might be speaking of similar things just in different terms.
arceuthobium
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Grant
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •This tells us that Mr Musk doesn't spend much time in the countryside.
Has he ever, on a hot sunny summer's day, walked across a ploughed field and into a natural forest? Or perhaps flown a glider over a similar landscape?
Well if he has, then he is either unobservant, or just plain dumb.
Sean Anteau
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •It would have been more entertaining had he blamed Hobbits or Norwegian trolls digging for gold, and, so it seems, just as accurate.
(Why do so many combines burn to a crisp in fields lately?)
Robin The Reanimator
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •He's put himself in a position where his main source of income has to do with electric cars (i.e. relying on concern about climate change) while he simultaneously desperately wants to be loved by a group of people who think that climate change is a woke conspiracy.
So now he's trying to find some way to reconcile those two unreconcilable positions.
Gerard Cunningham ✒️
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •@lisamelton So true. I suspect that @sarahtaber has a few words on the subject.
Unfortunately Musk confuses his ability to make money with knowledge about anything.
Kris Samsel
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •More here: http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2023/06/extreme-heat-stress.html?m=1 🆘🌎
Extreme heat stress
arctic-news.blogspot.comHarald Grunsky
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Adam Cafolla
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •And let's face it, the only reason he is even acknowledging the role of fossil fuels is because he owns an electric car company, otherwise he'd be denying that too I'm sure.
It's just a marketing message "The best way to help the planet is to buy a Tesla", which is clearly a crock of shit.
Coho
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •A few folks have asked about solutions.
While agriculture’s role in #climate change is often ignored, climate solutions related to that sector are largely 1) already available 2) scalable & 3) significant.
Think precision (aka “smart”) agriculture, breeding crops for drought & heat tolerance, limiting soil erosion through farming practices that don’t disrupt soil structure, emerging alternative proteins, reducing food waste. And on and on… /2
Bob Davidson
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Unfortunately, so much money and power is dependent on the status quo that the most powerful people on the planet are steering us all towards ignorance, stupidity and division.
Let's resist together!
Join the side of cooperation, exploration and intelligence.
Elizabeth From Snowland
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Gordon J Holtslander
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Joseph A di Paolantonio
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Digital Insights are using their agricultural #DigitalTwin Greenhouse for sustainability.
https://digitalinsights.ai/greenhouse/
Greenhouse
Digital InsightsNoah Cook
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Do no-till techniques offer significant mitigation?
I've seen the claim made by some, and intuitively it makes sense. If you tilled the mountains you'd destroy the fertility of the plains, but that's not quite the same cycle.
Lori
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Twiteryeanot 🏴
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •there are lots of things we can do on a personal level too, I know lithium is a contravention subject, but by using solar and wind to at least supplement your energy needs and divert off fossil fuel needs it'll help too.
Personally looking into full eco living now that I've retired.
Victoria
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Reminder that Musk works for Saudi oil interests.
Interests who farms alfalfa in the USA using American water because the Saudis can't grow alfalfa in Saudi Arabia because it's hitting 110 degrees F there.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/saudi-arabia
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/28/saudis-kingdom-holding-company-to-maintain-twitter-stake
https://luxurylaunches.com/celebrities/lifestyle-and-networth-of-the-saudi-royal-family.php
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/saudi-company-fondomonte-arizona-ground-water-crop-alfalfa/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/in-drought-stricken-arizona-fresh-scrutiny-of-saudi-arabia-owned-farms-water-use
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/16/business/dealbook/saudi-paris-deals.html
Saudi Investors and MBS Head to Paris, Looking for Deals
Andrew Ross Sorkin (The New York Times)Kristian
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Nigel Lake
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Musk has a few topics where he is (I assume) well-informed. But on almost everything else, he not only is ill-informed, but also patently lacks the judgement to assess what he doesn't know.
Put another way, the Musk zone of personal unknown unknowns is alarmingly large.
PatrickMeyfroidt
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •WTH why is he suddenly ranting about that? Of course "what happens on the Earth's surface (eg farming)" matters for climate,
1. Land use/cover change such as deforestation contributes ~12% GHG emissions,
2. When including land use/management (emissions directly related to "farming", e.g. methane from cows, nitrogen...), it climbs to ~23%, then upper with all food systems (transport etc).
3. Land use/management impacts global climate beyond GHG (albedo) and regional (H20 fluxes etc)
Totoro The Great
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Odiseo
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •pmars
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •What are the biggest contributors to climate change in the agriculture sector that don't rely on fossil fuel energy? And how do they compare?
quaff
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Hot Take of his certainly resonates well with his other company’s brilliant intervention to swap out the fuel source and change as little as possible about the mobility and transport system…
Jon Sparks
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Stephen
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •As someone who knows very little about this, I was astonished by a couple of articles I read a month or so ago, both about carbon and agriculture. I hope that, if you don't already know about them, they'll be of interest. And thank you for combating the misinformation.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/cattle-farmers-look-below-the-surface-to-capture-sustainable-carbon-neutral-future/ar-AA1bKiCR
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65648361
Can ‘enhanced rock weathering’ help combat climate change?
By Jonah Fisher (BBC News)Kerri Levine
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Verwechslungsgefährte 🍿
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Allow me to interpret:
"Everyone *puhleeeze* buy Tesla stock. I really f---ed up the money with my legendarily horrendous business mgmt & ignorant AF tweets & need all you low IQ lemmings to put me back in the black.
I mean, y'all were stupid enough to listen to me when I shilled for crypto so maybe you'll do it again for Tesla. That's the reason I bought Twitter after all. I want a megaphone I control so I can manipulate markets.
Oops. Did I say that out loud? Silly me."
🏳️ Ben Soule :coffefied:
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Elon Space Karen has been dangerous for some time now but still we see people all over the #Twitter hanging from chandeliers and throwing feces.
#TwitterMigration #Mastodon #Fediverse
Twiteryeanot 🏴
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