The best way to minimise bad information is to improve the signal to noise ratio reducing the noise. This is not even debatable, it's basic engineering (applying information science concepts of which melonhead has no bloody idea about).
Melonhead is just deploying fascist tactics to grow the ideological machine of the far right.
Elon here is doing the old trick of providing a wrong answer and waiting to receive the correct answer in the comments, rather than asking the question 😂
"the more we see something repeated, the more likely we are to believe it to be true.”
Thread about the “Illusory Truth Effect” and why it is so important NOT to repeat lies on social media (or elsewhere), even with the intention of debunking them.
btw, have you seen takes by the SGU people? I kinda feel like the overall approach of the skeptics community is similar to the quoted tweet by the narcissistic man-child.
I've been documenting the the MAGA movement though memes and news since 2015. I've participated in the great meme wars on Reddit before and after the banning of /thedonald.
It must be known that the best way to fight disinformation is with humor and shame. If the target culture can reduce the toxic effect of disinformation with a counter campaign targeting the individual false narratives, the tension between debating factions can be broken.
Not to play down your research (and it's important to research things even if they seem obvious) but I think it ought to be ... obvious that these have different impacts.
Scenario 1 Some Rando: "I was abducted by aliens." Trusted Source: "There is no evidence to support this and it's likely false."
Scenario 2 ** nothing **
In which are we now debating the aliens, however unlikely?
If you wanna make the unwoke fascists f*ck off, allowing themselves to be eaten by wolves and censorship of their dullard rhetoric is your #1 candidate.
As much as I am repulsed by this man and his actions, I tend to agree with his assertion here.
Censorship of *opinions* (as opposed to calls for violence, etc) is unconstitutional in many parts of the world.
So from a legal standpoint, the only way to deal with misinformation is information. Accurate, unbiased reporting of facts—not opinions—from reputed sources.
I’d like to read your dissertation, if you could kindly link it here.
Which works of Reichsminister für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda und Präsident der Reichskulturkammer Josef Goebbels are you covering apart from the Sportpalast speech? You are probably using "The Official German Report Nazi Penetration, 1924-1942, Oetje John Rogge (1961)? - A personal copy is hard to come by. Are you using other materials to cover the biggest disinformation campaign in US history of George Sylvester Viereck? (well maybe #TFG's tweets and press releases, which had...
"In the same way bad money drives out good, misinformation drives out information... Unless information is stabilized by a strong evaluative filter, such as science, with its controlled experiments and repeatable results, it gets swamped by simpler, stabler misinformation. If the people who design and run the Web don’t develop reliable ways to evaluate and stabilize information, the Internet may become the agent of social chaos." Samuel Delany, The Village Voice, 1999
This is even presuming the truthfulness of a claim is relevant. How little does one need to know of Machiavelli to think that’s always true? Even Republican Nicolò isn’t like that in the Discourses.
the best way to stigmatize misinformation online is to have the credibility of people graded by a large & very pedantic institution. It sounds dystopian, & I wouldn't want a government doing it, but some organization of intellectuals or journalists that on every website, on every publishing individual, a credibility score that can be looked up, maybe people subscribe to it to publish their score. Too much? AI is coming & needs to know credibility when gathering sources.
Exactly. Whenever our brains get a piece of info, it becomes familiar to us. So even if it is reported as a lie, the statement is still familiar to us if we hear it again. We tend to forget the label… very insidious. Propagandists know this. It is a standard tactic which also brings doubt to any real facts.
Misinformation can be custom-tailored to be exactly what people want to hear or read or see. Accurate information can't. (But I'm probably telling you something you already know.)
Naturally, when owning a social media platform, inviting misinformation in and letting many others try to fight that fast-typed misinformation with hard-collected facts equals the sought engagement, not caring if good or bad.
No wonder Elon sits next to Rupert during some sports event, it is them sharing a hobby and trading ideas.
Indeed people often believe what they 1st read & what is closest to their current outlook. Clemens/Twain: Lies are around the world before truth gets it books on. Ancient Greeks understood too. Free speech isn't allowing criminals to publish lies. Musk doesn't understand censorship vs public protection. Not a genius, just lucky, and has spread much misinformation. Not libel because it's true.
was probably true in the 18th century when Jefferson or someone said it and the media landscape was completely different. Kinda ironic that libertarian tech bros are essentially advocating that we run the world on out of date software.
I am just beggining to understand why. It's not only the "accurate information" part but also the "fight" part, right? I would like to learn what is the better approach towards misinformation.
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Melonhead is just deploying fascist tactics to grow the ideological machine of the far right.
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •"the more we see something repeated, the more likely we are to believe it to be true.”
Thread about the “Illusory Truth Effect” and why it is so important NOT to repeat lies on social media (or elsewhere), even with the intention of debunking them.
https://newsie.social/@ZhiZhu/109530716627287778
#Propaganda #Disinformation #Misinformation #Lies #Journalism
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •It must be known that the best way to fight disinformation is with humor and shame. If the target culture can reduce the toxic effect of disinformation with a counter campaign targeting the individual false narratives, the tension between debating factions can be broken.
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Scenario 1
Some Rando: "I was abducted by aliens."
Trusted Source: "There is no evidence to support this and it's likely false."
Scenario 2
** nothing **
In which are we now debating the aliens, however unlikely?
Robert11
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •However most people don't really want the truth, they juzt want contanst reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
I mean a NAZI for example will listen how he/she is special before sparing a second to listen why Humans are all the same s*.
Ankit Pati
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Censorship of *opinions* (as opposed to calls for violence, etc) is unconstitutional in many parts of the world.
So from a legal standpoint, the only way to deal with misinformation is information. Accurate, unbiased reporting of facts—not opinions—from reputed sources.
I’d like to read your dissertation, if you could kindly link it here.
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HistoPol (#HP)
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •You are probably using "The Official German Report
Nazi Penetration, 1924-1942, Oetje John Rogge (1961)? - A personal copy is hard to come by.
Are you using other materials to cover the biggest disinformation campaign in US history of George Sylvester Viereck? (well maybe #TFG's tweets and press releases, which had...
Sheril Kirshenbaum
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A Dissertation on Democracy
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •We can't be bothered fighting misinformation, so we will just leave it up to others.
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •No wonder Elon sits next to Rupert during some sports event, it is them sharing a hobby and trading ideas.
Ray McCarthy
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •Clemens/Twain: Lies are around the world before truth gets it books on.
Ancient Greeks understood too. Free speech isn't allowing criminals to publish lies. Musk doesn't understand censorship vs public protection. Not a genius, just lucky, and has spread much misinformation. Not libel because it's true.
Jürgen Hubert
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •He fails on basic math, I'd say.
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in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum • • •I have a personal bias against the very word ‘misinformation’, as it is just a coverup for blatant LIES.
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