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NYT’s opinion writer Paul Krugman is declaring #climate is now a culture war issue 🤔

I worked in the U.S. Senate ~20 years ago. Covered climate as a journalist. Cofounded an NGO focused on science policy issues during elections. Am finishing a dissertation on how Congress has made decisions about #science policy for the last 1/2 century - with climate as a central theme.

This isn’t new. #ClimateChange has *always* been a culture war issue.

in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

thing is that framing it as a culture war validates the opposition by entirely reframing the issue. When it's just human-caused climate change, one one side there are humans, and on the other side there's the environment we need to stop destroying. When it's framed as a "culture war", then, on one side there are humans, and on the other side there are humans. It's reframing to ignore the environmental damage and pretend the real issue is bickering about if the issue even exists.
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

Inasmuch as from the funders' perspective, the "culture war" is a pretext for getting tax cuts, insider deals and other public financing of their greed.
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

right. Paul Krugman, I powerfully respect you, but where the hell have you been?!
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

In a very tangible sense at times... like, say, when we wiped out the bison to destroy native culture and populations so we could pillage still more natural resources.
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

Hi Sheril,

While climate change *can* be viewed as a “culture-war” issue , would it not be more helpful to categorise it as a global 🌎 issue, necessitating action at global level?

In case you (or anyone else concerned/alarmed by climate change) is interested, below (via toot) is a petition for radical reform of the UN 🇺🇳, which has been vocal but, sadly, ineffective when faced with climate change and other challenges of this century.

https://toot.community/@Paullima/110685308417865108

Regards
Paul

in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

Agree. I couldn't understand that take from Krugman. Where has he been for the last few decades? In the USA it's been an ideological/party issue at least since the first IPCC report (and James Hansen testimony).
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

Climate change has always been a culture war issue.
Big oil executives had more money to push their self-serving point of view than scientists, Greenpeace an millions of mostly young (penniless) people.
Political contributions won.
https://www.kcra.com/article/earth-day-this-day-in-history/43657150
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

It's a cold war against the fossil pact, with culture proxy wars.
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

One of the basic problems is that the Evangelical part of the religious right truly believes the Rapture will happen within theirs or their children's lifetime so there is no reason to care about Earth. They also believe Jesus loves greed, of course...
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

I think there's been a turn for the worse: it used to be climate change denialism, but now "I'm going to accelerate climate change to piss off liberals" is a stance.

Maybe I didn't notice it before. But it feels like a novel and terrible development.

(Of course, that was Russia's official policy already 7-8 years ago, and that, I knew)

in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

Yep. As those who've been trying to encourage fellow humans, bosses and politicos to take it seriously for the last 30+ years will attest,
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

I am sorry if this is a naive question as I don't really understand what culture war means (beyond what's on wikipedia), but climate change is not a matter for debate (except for few).
Whether and how to tackle climate change is a matter of policy and decision making.

Could you maybe elaborate on what culture war is?

in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

I am old enough to recall Bush the Older pushing the UNFCCC and Bush the Younger campaigning for a carbon tax.
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

It’s worth noting that by Fall of 2012, the majority of both Republican & Democrat voters acknowledged #ClimateChange is occurring. But not the majority of all politicians.

Back then, I ran large public opinion surveys out of UT Austin & it was the first time citizens from both parties agreed. (Here’s a 2015 SciAm piece w totals https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/over-3-out-of-4-americans-now-acknowledge-climate-change-is-occurring-including-the-majority-of-republicans/)

We can’t said what changed attitudes, but a drought had impacted U.S. crops that summer & the pope was also discussing #climate. /2

in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

By "not the majority of all politicians", we presume you mean the republican party, driven by their owners - the tycoons of the fossil fuel and mineral extraction industry.

More news on the republican war on Climate Science -
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/desantiss-florida-approves-climate-denial-videos-in-schools/
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/27/project-2025-dismantle-us-climate-policy-next-republican-president
https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-12.pdf

in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

it took the republicans a long time but finally ... now change can come!

If USA takes the lead it will go faster 👏 👍 💚 💚 💚

in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

The #ClimateCrisis is yet another reason for Democrats in deep-red districts and states to stop *wasting* half their votes and #PrimaryFromTheCenter to flush the extremist 💩 out of Congress and state legislatures.
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

@Ruth_Mottram In the #bubble of #politicians the world looks different. Same as the bubble of #ceo or other "leaders".
The selection processes and internal dynamics tied to their role makes them more easily extremists. #memetics
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -Upton Sinclair
in reply to Sheril Kirshenbaum

Ever talk to UNH’s Larry Hamilton? He’s done many surveys on science. Years ago, the 4-way split D-I-R-T was especially instructive:
https://twitter.com/johnmashey/status/1094724981802463232

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