Gargron wants to disable custom emoji in account display names because people fleeing Twitter complain about when they realize anyone can fake it.
*all* custom emoji in display names, because it'd be impractical to just disable and Unicode visual lookalikes such as ✔️☑️✅√ and friends. that includes pride flags, and you know, i was *just talking* about the history of Fediverse contributions from people who might fly pride flags <https://demon.social/@vyr/110118781991020640/embed>, but i've also seen custom emoji used in display names to mark programming languages, games, all sorts of communities…
*and* he likes to remind people that Mastodon™ is Trademarked, and Licensed, and thus customizing it to not do that would be forbidden:
This is a crude, bad faith mischaracterization of events, with a screenshot deliberately disconnecting the message from what it was replying to, in the context of a longer conversation, and then doubly mischaracterizing what said message actually says.
To emphasize, and I really shouldn't have to explain this, doubly so because what I wrote was addressed to a specific person, but being able to modify Mastodon's source code is part of your fundamental rights, and nobody is going to sue you for it.
I was responding to a specific person who claimed that they were feeling, due to a lack of customization options in the software, like an unpaid SRE for Mastodon gGmbH, and I pointed out that we do not benefit from them while they do benefit from us.
At no point was the removal of custom emojis in display names announced. It was brought up as a potential solution to the problem of phishing in the form of a question dependent on community response.
@Gargron I think community response has been rather bad on this extreme approach. The full richness of Unicode is an important part of community interaction.
A stricter Unicode filter would be time consuming to perfect, but it would do much more to balance trust expectations with individual freedom of expression. That being said, Twitter has burned enough of the trust that I'm not convinced there's much value in spoofing a checkbox.
What to say, this is probably the worst smear campaign I have seen for now and I can't say that I'm sorry because people like @vyr exist cause it's not our fault that they are as they are.
The only thing I would like to ask you is to not even answer this kind of "sh**". It's your precious time and your life and it's up to you in what to invest it.
Give them "cookies" by paying attention and they will never let you go.
@Gargron As a complete outsider to this discussion, but having seen quite a number of takes on it:
Beyond the claim of bad faith representation of the above, is there any substance to the assertion made? That there is an actual consideration of removing custom emoji support from display names?
It's a total pain trying to hunt down your #serialized publishings all over the place in chronological order and in #context when you do that.
Just put your thought into #one_single_post like everyone else or wait until you're sure you've finished what you have to say before clicking on the #publish button, okay? Pretty please?
No worries, your statement keeps its essence irregardless:
"Everyone is welcome in the #fediverse no matter the endpoint used, feel free to join in." (No matter if #calckey , #pleroma , #soapbox , #misskey or any future derivate)
Usually you phrase your sentences in a way that makes misinterpreting hard. Which is the proper choice.
> You are using Free Software. Customization options, or any fitness for purpose, are not part of the license agreement. Nobody from Mastodon gGmbH is forcing you, or even asking you, to do it. You are benefitting from the recognition of our trademark. You are charging your users for membership as an entity completely independent from Mastodon gGmbH. If you feel this way, you can develop your own social media platform from scratch and participate in the fediverse that way, or use one of the numerous alternatives.
dude, this is a real bad attitude. especially when you're talking to instance admins. you know, the people who run the communities that give the software a reason to exist.
and if it got that far (unlikely), suing an instance over trademark usage because they applied patches you don't like (or didn't apply patches you do) miiiight not be the best use of donations. maybe stay off that slippery slope.
on a related note: #megalodon used to be called @mastodos and have a pink version of the mastodon logo as its icon – until nov 22, 2022, when i was told to use a "unique name and logo that doesn't imply affiliation with or endorsement by Mastodon gGmbH"
while i am glad to have a name and icon that's not coupled to mastodon anymore, i assumed that it wouldn't be a big deal to adapt an open source project's name and logo to use in a fork – like, lol, every instance uses the mastodon logo
when they realize anyone can fake it.
Eugen Rochko
in reply to Vyr Cossont 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ • • •Eugen Rochko
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Eugen Rochko
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Eugen Rochko
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Vyr Cossont 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •kind of a weird take that Mastodon doesn't benefit from admins though.
segv11
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •A stricter Unicode filter would be time consuming to perfect, but it would do much more to balance trust expectations with individual freedom of expression. That being said, Twitter has burned enough of the trust that I'm not convinced there's much value in spoofing a checkbox.
mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm bitPickup
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •What to say, this is probably the worst smear campaign I have seen for now and I can't say that I'm sorry because people like
@vyr exist cause it's not our fault that they are as they are.
The only thing I would like to ask you is to not even answer this kind of "sh**". It's your precious time and your life and it's up to you in what to invest it.
Give them "cookies" by paying attention and they will never let you go.
Please!
Just ignore and go on, as hard as it is.
#mastodon
Purple :verified:
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •ringthe^g
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Beyond the claim of bad faith representation of the above, is there any substance to the assertion made? That there is an actual consideration of removing custom emoji support from display names?
tallship
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Eugen, please stop #hellthreading yourself, please?!
It's a total pain trying to hunt down your #serialized publishings all over the place in chronological order and in #context when you do that.
Just put your thought into #one_single_post like everyone else or wait until you're sure you've finished what you have to say before clicking on the #publish button, okay? Pretty please?
#tallship #Fediverse #ActivityPub #comprehension #netiquette
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ryedai
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •"Everyone is welcome in the #fediverse no matter the endpoint used, feel free to join in."
(No matter if #calckey , #pleroma , #soapbox , #misskey or any future derivate)
Usually you phrase your sentences in a way that makes misinterpreting hard.
Which is the proper choice.
Vyr Cossont 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
in reply to Vyr Cossont 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ • • •dude, this is a real bad attitude. especially when you're talking to instance admins. you know, the people who run the communities that give the software a reason to exist.
and if it got that far (unlikely), suing an instance over trademark usage because they applied patches you don't like (or didn't apply patches you do) miiiight not be the best use of donations. maybe stay off that slippery slope.
Official Megalodon shitposts
in reply to Vyr Cossont 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ • • •while i am glad to have a name and icon that's not coupled to mastodon anymore, i assumed that it wouldn't be a big deal to adapt an open source project's name and logo to use in a fork – like, lol, every instance uses the mastodon logo
@vyr