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in reply to Karsten Schmidt

I often see people who install solar panels on their appartment, thinking that this emulation of limits can do good, but the underlying structure of their context doesn't need this, and this sense of resilience might inadvertently do more harm than good if the grid actually goes. On your question on wether to go "upward/downward", I think it should be more "toward" meeting limits of your situation or context. 😀
in reply to Devine Lu Linvega

@neauoire I like! Your "toward" describes it much better than my old "up/down"... That "two-pronged" approach I referred to is maybe also closer to what I've been doing with the various thi.ng projects: A kind of encircling/spiraling round-robin type gliding focus, with sometimes days or weeks between re-visiting concepts/projects, sometimes years, but usually informed by what I learned (in other contexts) in between...

FWIW We do have solar (was pre-installed and only to support hot water), we use 100% renewable electricity and we do have fibre internet, but even so we're consciously (if so far also still somewhat selectively) reducing and adjusting our limits to something much lower than those our current local situation/environment encourages. I think it's a healthy exercise to embrace and figure out what one's limits are and then also allow them to work for you (i.e. "limitation is the mother of invention"), even if those limits are not (yet) being strictly enforced as in a life on the high seas 😀

in reply to Karsten Schmidt

(Very cool setup btw!) I only mentioned the apartment solar panels as an example of how one approach to reducing need shouldn't have to scale to accomodate all situations. Responding to changes is important, so being able to explore solutions is always worthwhile. How someone approaches permacomputing might be ridiculously limiting if applied to a situation regardless of context. If our situation changes, our approach will change and we will begin moving toward our new limits.
in reply to Devine Lu Linvega

@neauoire 💯% agreed! Diversity & adaptability (also in approaches) is key! Also, if one is approaching this whole field truly with a longer arc of time in mind and aiming for a dynamically re-negotiable/adaptable limits, then a kind of pace layering approach could be super useful (and also needed)...

E.g. Maybe it's still somewhat hard to answer at this stage, but in your own situ, would you consider Uxn already being or becoming a (or the) foundational, slow-moving, and maybe change-tolerant, but also change-resistant pace layer (e.g. "structure" in the above model) or have you always considered Uxn as a layer which is designed to be more easily malleable/adaptable (e.g. "services" or "space plan" above)? Of course one thing is to heavily experiment, build a ton of things & FAAFO, but also think asking these kind of questions can clarify a lot of things beforehand, at least for judging the need for flexibility in the design of a thing...

(Hope that makes some sense 😀

in reply to Karsten Schmidt

I understand your question. Uxn is a bedrock computing experiment to address the extreme limits that we have aboard, it should be flexible enough to adapt to having more resources(it being a core to a larger varvara system that can scale), but unfortunately it will not if we suddenly have less resources. It's not especially fast, and will be troublesome to use on anything less than say a rpi.
in reply to Devine Lu Linvega

The way I see, there will come a threshold where I just won't be able to do general purpose computing, and uxn will stop being practical. But it will have thaught me enough things from first principle at the moment, as to make me adaptible to a new context. In this sense, it's somewhat self-obviating, at least that's the goal haha
in reply to Devine Lu Linvega

in reply to Karsten Schmidt

We're crossing paths now at a time when we're ooing in different directions. I used to do motion graphics, and stage visuals for large events(Linkin Park, etc..), it was a totally different life, I've learnt a lot of things on very different aspects of computers, but it's not lesser in any way than what I do now and I also think back about that time every single day.

Time is definitely circular, the world is a playground. Have you ever listened to this?

https://www.typetheoryforall.com/2022/05/09/17-The-Lost-Elegance-of-Computation-(Conal-Elliott).html

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in reply to Karsten Schmidt

@neauoire I think about this a lot at home, but van road trips or even weekends help reinforce perspective on water, energy, and heating use for me.
in reply to Justin Miller

@neauoire I’m pretty fresh off ~1,800 miles on the road in 3-4 climate zones, which was also a great education in planning and conservation. Ever since I built my first van water and solar systems, I can’t use the faucet or light switch at home without thinking about how much, where from, and for how long.

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