In #ActivityPub "governance" at the moment people are mostly #dogmatic #NGO crew, some are #mainstreaming careerism, others are doing #geekproblem #grassroots careerism.
Neither of these are real friends of any alternatives, they are friendly enemies ;)
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Evan Prodromou
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"they are friendly enemies" this is a view of the polarization our freshly #mainstreaming people push over "native" alt spaces, it makes a mess, let me illustrate:
An example of this are the #fedifourm guys, they are "well meaning" but talk to them and you get dogmatic liberal imperialism, pushing polarizing mess making.
Look at current shifts in #socialhub It's now run by one person, the diversity is sidelined and silenced by the "common sense" of #mainstreaming it's a shadow of the community it was and needs to be.
Experience the #
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"they are friendly enemies" this is a view of the polarization our freshly #mainstreaming people push over "native" alt spaces, it makes a mess, let me illustrate:
An example of this are the #fedifourm guys, they are "well meaning" but talk to them and you get dogmatic liberal imperialism, pushing polarizing mess making.
Look at current shifts in #socialhub It's now run by one person, the diversity is sidelined and silenced by the "common sense" of #mainstreaming it's a shadow of the community it was and needs to be.
Experience the #FEP the lack of social buy in for this is feeding the #geekproblem
Our tech it self with its #fudalisam of admin, user etc, king and serf hardcoded allows the polarizing to embed.
All these initiatives are good and grassroots, but all are poisoned by the #mainstreaming polarization of the dogmatic paths of the few people left in charge.
One way out of this mess is sortation based, consensus building, trust networking, democracy.
This is a completely normal recurring issue with grassroot activism, before we were #mainstreaming we were doing better, the question we can't ask is how do we do better while #mainstreaming.
The #OGB - as we can't keep doing the same shit, it's well past time to compost this mess.
witchescauldron
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On the subject of the mailing list, It's hard to understand where/what/why. People forget to communicate the social understanding, this shrinks down the group, I don't know what it means, why it matters and what agender are being pushed there. It's my subject, so I should be interested, this is obtusely a problem for #4opens communication. i.e. a mess 😀
jin
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#mainstreaming and #geekproblem are not positive terms in my personal estimation.
But I guess it depends on personal stance ;)
The #geekproblem to me (also a programmer) is where tech-obsessives build almost for the sake of building, do not consider the repercussions of their work and end up making shit worse.
E.g. the 'like' button
#mainstreaming is more obvious. While it is sometimes nice to feel part of something big, it's where diversity goes to die.
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jin
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I guess another shining example of the #geekproblem would be https://xkcd.com/927/ though that also reflects a societal problem of scale.
The more people who have to agree on something the more impossible it becomes.
And people say they want a single global society.
How insane that is.
A true global society may only exist paradoxically (better word?).
It may only exist by virtue of smaller, actually functioning, _autonomous_, sovereign bioregions working together.
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