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These guys are insane, this might be the first time you have noticed this, but it's always been true. Insanity is a part of the belief system of some socialists, the is a bad history to this
https://www.buzzsprout.com/903769/13818851-otns-transitioning-refi-dao-to-a-coordi-nation.mp3
#openweb #BlockchainSocialist #dontbeaprat they are saying they need to use the #4opens to build their insane system, why not just build with the #4opens and skip the nuttiness #KISS
openwebgovernancebody
(OGB) This is a space for working through Governance of horizontal projects - using #KISS online tools.Open Media Network
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The #4Opens The #dotcons can not be fixed. The #fashionistas who keep flocking to new “ethical-ish” ones are a problem, not a solution. The #4opens are a simple way to judge the value of an “alt/grassroots” tech project.Open Media Network
The hashtag story shows the current state of the world
The hashtag story is a way of using different hashtags to paint a picture of the current state of the world and the paths that can be taken to address the issues at hand. It involves defining each …Hamishcampbell
@evan
On the subject of the mailing list, It's hard to understand where/what/why. People forget to communicate the social understanding, this shrinks down the group, I don't know what it means, why it matters and what agender are being pushed there. It's my subject, so I should be interested, this is obtusely a problem for #4opens communication. i.e. a mess 😀
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Three Challenges to Contribute Back to Open Source
Let’s strengthen the Open Source ecosystem together! The Sovereign Tech Fund is looking for developers who use open source and want to contribute back to it.sovereigntechfund.de
As a part of #4opens here are all the invoices for #OMN on OVH
http://hamishcampbell.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/OVHcloud-2023-10-05T09_31_03.zip
I joined a #FOSS tech project to do "governance"
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it's a slave relationship 😀 well OK maybe a serf, most tech has this feudalism hardcoded its a path we need to do #4opens on hardcore 😀
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom is how most #dotcons and #FOSS tech works... it's a mess, we do need to do better #OGB
https://dwebcamp.org/people/ these people are more "problem" than they are "solution", why do you think this might be so?
@bob
For the last 15 years most activists have been organising direct action in the #dotcons so a step to the #openweb is a good step.
I was involved in the setting up of the instance we are talking about, when pushing this I pushed it was #4opens after it was out of the hands of #submedia the talk of "hardening" began, and is still ongoing bad pushing of a foles agenda. It's #openweb not #closedweb
They are different paths with only slight overlap.
The #mainstreaming talking about my subject https://publicinfrastructure.org/podcast-download/1307/81-ben-tarnoff-2.mp3
@bob@epicyon.libreserver.org @edsu @rm4 @bob@soc.freedombone.net
Yes at the moment as it's a #OMN based on the #4opens you have very low barrier to running or even developing an instance this is where the value is.
Adding security generally makes a HUGE barriers to Dev and #DIY running an instance.
The #geekproblem has no idea of the damage they do when pushing there "common sense". This creates a signal to noise issue that has been blocking alt for 20 years.
Just stop comes to mind
@bob @Hamishcampbell
It's hard to stress how "niave" meany devs on the #fedivers are after 15 years is exactly what I have been saying for 20 years.
#openweb #4opens is about building human trust, hard security is a very slightly overlapping but easy to see different path for building non "trust" based connections.
Some surprisingly hard to build bridges might help with this ongoing mess.
@bob
This mess you talk about is not solved by more tech we already have most of what we need.
* Open media is #4opens based on trust, the current ActivertyPub is a relatively #KISS good example of this.
* Privacy is encrypted p2p chat, which the are meany good #UX mature #FOSS projects you can find
The change we need is social, getting people to use the different approaches for different needs, this is surprisingly difficult.
Bridges while dangerous are needed.
This text reads like a vanguardist path, based on #mainstreaming reading and narrow #geekproblem thinking. It's missing the paths that hold value in #4opens horizontal activist paths we are taking but. But yes, getting lost on in our the growing #fedivers and the wide spread of #openweb diversity projects.
What it does highlight is the need for social and political thinking is needed, the is value there.
Can you see any of this feedback?
A whole load of non "owned" social tech projects on grassroots social subject/path #OMN #OGB #indymediaback #makeinghistory of course things like this only work with shared values #4opens #PGA
And the current core standard #activertypub is also needed to escape the #siloing that comes so "naturally".
@NGIZero @sovtechfund
Our current crap #tech funding and #dev agendas are a part of this extinction level event https://news.sky.com/story/world-has-lost-battle-to-stop-glaciers-melting-and-sea-level-rising-un-meteorological-chief-says-12898899
The last 20 years of #techshit has obviously been both pushing this problem and doing almost nothing to stop it. On the #openweb tech side, we are still being prats on his.
Please think about this #geekproblem, thanks.
#OMN #OGB #4opens #indymediaback
World has lost battle to stop glaciers melting and sea level rising, UN meteorological chief says
"We have lost this glacier melting game and sea level rise game," Professor Petteri Taalas tells Sky News.Hannah Thomas-Peter (Sky News)
In the era of #climatechaos and #XR people who are #blocking the needed social change in tech are criminals, that are playing an active role in the genocide of our societies and peoples due to social and ecological breakdown.
We have different paths in place #4opens #openweb #OGB #indymediaback #OMN are working examples of social tech tools to mediate away from this #mainstreming criminality.
Take a moment to step away, take a breath, think then act. Don't be a prat, thanks
@witchescauldron
For this funding to be a #openweb project, it needs #openprocess which transparency is a core #4opens I don't think either of the current funding projects do this - likely for privacy and security and "safety" issues -this makes them non "native" to the #openweb they are saying they are a part of. A tension we need to talk abut.
#KISS
@freakazoid @moparisthebest @msavoritias
something you are not addressing, why do we need encryption at all in the #Fediverse it's all currently #4opens and is very successful because of this - why do we need encrypted DM's that a current chat app cannot do?
https://fiatjaf.com/ab1127fb.html Yep, people are lifting the lid and finding smoke and mirrors - I hope we are not wasting our focus and time on Fear, uncertainty, and doubt - Wikipedia with this.
On a positive note, the “protocol wars” - has pushed creativity in the #activertypub world and siphoned off some of the worst #fahernistas to the other networks. Let’s keep planting #openweb spaces to become more of what we need, #4opens in the era of #climatechaos
Bluesky is a scam
Bluesky advertises itself as an open network, they say people won’t lose followers or their identity, they advertise themselves as a protocol (atproto) and because of that they are tricking a lot of people into using them.fiatjaf
The "protocol wars" on the #openweb such as #bluesky, #Nostr, and #activertypub. That building bridges between these protocols can be a good solution, as it is a permissionless way to connect different protocols without needing to get the codebase to change their project. The protocols are all #4opens and #openweb native, which is a positive development. However, the cultures of these protocols are different and can create messiness in the discussions.
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/lets-talk-about-the-protocol-wars/3177
Lets talk about the protocol wars
Listening to the #mainstreaming of the 3 protocol mess, we have a building signal-to-noise issue. We need to push signal, so good to think before you share something that is likely more noise on this subject.SocialHub
the key part is #4opens we don't have to ask its #FOSS and yes not saying you are not right, the current non federated #bluesky would be pointless.
#Nostr all ready has a working 2 way bridge to #activertpub, I am transparently reading and replying to #Nostr users.
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/lets-talk-about-the-protocol-wars/3177/4?u=hamishcampbell
Lets talk about the protocol wars
A bridge to nostr all ready works Introducing Mostr: a Fediverse Nostr bridge | Soapbox I have been using it for the last few weeks.SocialHub
The "protocol wars" of new #openweb protocols, including #bluesky, #Nostr, and #activertypub, am suggesting that bridges between them are a good solution to the current issues. All of these protocols are #4opens and #openweb native, which is a positive development. However, the cultures of these protocols are different and this can create messiness in the discussions.
I advocate for a grassroots #DIY culture and urge people to focus on building bridges rather than adding to the mess.
it's not, but people keep pushing it in... #diaspora is from the #encryptionists agenda where the #Fediverse is #4opens
Mess and composting comes to mind.
They all share #4opens #openweb tech, so this is a win.
Where they differ is in the "culture" they come from and push.
#bluesky comes from surveillance capitalism, it's from the #dotcons and has meany of the same assumptions, just "better".
#Nostr comes from the #encryptionists and #bitcoin bro crew and suffers from being from this mess.
#activertypub is #openweb native and comes from the #4opens traditions the whole software world is actually built on.
#KISS