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My question led to a very reactionary answer on social actavisam, a complete dismissal of #mainstreaming politics and a clear democratic rejection of #dotcons billionaires.

The is no agency for the needed change challenge he argues for, a bureaucratic plan with no path to implement it. Very #Oxford



For building alts we have reached beyond the end of what we can do by copying #dotcons as outreach like we are doing here kolektiva.social we need "native" codebases as well as #FOSS copies of #dotcons to be the change and challenge we need.

The are projects that need your help and support here opencollective.com/open-media-…

#OMN #OGB #makeinghistory #indymediaback








socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/… the is going to be a lot of prat’ish behaver from both inside our #openweb movement and outside from the #dotcons we need a way to mediate this


ye[p they were #dotcons all along, and we abandoned the #openweb for them.

Let's see if the #reboot of this original #4pens project can grow.


@bob

For the last 15 years most activists have been organising direct action in the #dotcons so a step to the #openweb is a good step.

I was involved in the setting up of the instance we are talking about, when pushing this I pushed it was #4opens after it was out of the hands of #submedia the talk of "hardening" began, and is still ongoing bad pushing of a foles agenda. It's #openweb not #closedweb

They are different paths with only slight overlap.


the ida that they were always #dotcons has been around for 20 years... So this hashtag is a little late ;)


yep the key point is we have to have a strong "culture" so we can try and hold our #fashionista crew from going down the #dotcons path because it's "better", this is harder than our "logic" thinks it is. Take note.



this is a general fail for the idea of the #closedweb that both #dotcons and our "progressive" #geekproblem activists have pushed over us for the last ten years.




#matrix has one foot in the #dotcons world and is full on in the #NGO world.

Yes it's #openweb in a technical more than a cultural way, but we have no way to judge #openweb culture, so this is a hard one to talk about or address.

#4opens is a step


theverge.com/23711172/google-a… this is a story about the power we have with the #openweb to push back the mess the #dotcons make.

"Google is still the web’s biggest and most influential company. But across the publishing industry, it’s no longer seen as a partner. AMP ultimately neither saved nor killed the open web. But it did kill Google’s good name — one not-that-fast webpage at a time."



We typically found little to be confusing about your hashtags, once you explained them. For example, we didn't understand what you meant by #stupidIndividualism until you linked it to #postModern notions of individualism.

We absolutely love your #dotCons tag to describe the likes of the #CAGEMAFIA (eg. Cloudflare-Amazon-Google-TwitterBuyer-Microsoft-Apple-Fakebook-IBM-Akamai cabal).

We will continue to use that hashtag until the threat of #technoFeudalism is over.



tribalism and truth telling, mixed with a big dollop of nut source... better than the #dotcons though ahay 😀


Just replace the term labels with hashtags and you have the flows in the #OMN
think we are going to see more #mainstreaming of the #OMN projects, just they will be for the agenda of the #NGO masked up #dotcons rather than the #openweb


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Projects are all based on ideology- #BlueSkySocial is capitalism, monetization is a core priority, just like twitter they are leaving it out at the start as the usual #dotcons bait and switch.

The tech might be different, but the world view is #nothingnew in a bad way.

The #Fediverse is built on a different world-view which is why it is important, the tech in both cases is secondary.

"All code is ideology solidified into action – most contemporary code is capitalism"


Interestingly, the #openweb is giving visionon.tv/videos/trending a very different view on video "news" than you get on the #dotcons


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It's hard to for people to understand the value in "commons" as most of the important thinking on this subject is pre-modern. Though the whole #WWW for 20 years was built as commons, the #dotcons were built on/by enclosing these commons we built, we actually did not think about this much. What we did think on this subject, was barely covered #deathcult worship... thus the mess we are in now.

Please take this moment to step back to the #openweb


#openweb and encrypted chat should coexist without reproducing the mistakes of centralized #dotcons. Bounded projects like #4opens and #PGA help us resist #mainstreaming liberalism and create a shared space of practice and direction for politics and technology. Theory comes from practice, emphasizing grassroots #DIY practices, and using theory from them. Focus on the #4opens is important to avoid pushing mess hamishcampbell.com/2023/03/21/…


Well I would say we need a unified communication network base on #4opens, and surprisingly we already have this, the #fediverse so #nothingnew comes to mind agen, I only half joke.

Yes, the #dotcons mad a mess over the last 20 years, and nobody who was in their right minds would not push the word together and add the hash ;)

Its basic.



Looking like the flow of history is going to be a step to the #openweb with the recent #dotcons take up of #activitypub this will push Twitters #bluesky to a “me to” project, unless they bridge to AP which they will very likely will refuse to do, like diaspora, the same #geekproblem motivation repeating itself.

We do live in instresting times, agen for #openweb tech and its social power.

socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/…


With the #mainstreaming influx, the is increasing #openweb events run on #dotcons platforms, for example qiqochat.com/about

In the #Fediverse we have a good history of using #BBB bigbluebutton.org/ as it is native, not alien to WHY and HOW we do things. Can understand coming in from the #fahernista and #NGO agenda is a learning curve, good to try to be native to the space you would like to be a part of. Welcome.


This #openweb event is being run on a #dotcons platform qiqochat.com/about

In the #Fediverse we have a good history of using #BBB bigbluebutton.org/ as is native, not alien to WHY and HOW we do things. Can understand coming in from the #fahernista and #NGO agenda is a learning curve, good to try to be native to the space you would like to be a part of. Welcome.



what you are describing here is the #OMN project, BUT you are looking at this from the individual rather than the community. Good to think about this, with the understanding how all the current #dotcons are bad for us so recreating this individual view is likely an issue/problem for balance in the approach we need 😀


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