If you want to force Big Tech to support local journalism, fine, but find another way. Don't destroy the link, which is basically tantamount to destroying the web.
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/01/meta-california-pull-news-threat

#bigtech #journalism #openweb

The #FEP is a good grassroots initiative, that is "névé" and troubling as it lacks "meaning" and is running as a "hobby" project with little if any social buy in.

NOTE: no amount of technical thinking/tinkering will add "meaning" as this is a social, not a technical problem.

This also partly explanes why we have the splintering of effect here in #activertypub and in the wider "protocol wars" https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/lets-talk-about-the-protocol-wars/3177

How do you grow social buy in to a #openweb project?

Lets talk about the protocol wars

Listening to the #mainstreaming of the 3 protocol mess, we have a building signal-to-noise issue. We need to push signal, so good to think before you share something that is likely more noise on this subject.

^SocialHub

This is a view of one "tribe" on the fedivers, there are meany, to be welcome here is to #DIY build and nurture your tribe. As you say this is not as easy as #mainstreaming but it is what the #openweb is about. And yes the intolerant crew often do not help, this is a part of #DIY culture as well.

Talking about the #mainstreaming crew, they can be intolerant too http://hamishcampbell.com/2023/05/09/look-these-guys-are-covered-in-mess-we-cant-work-with-them/

#matrix has one foot in the #dotcons world and is full on in the #NGO world.

Yes it's #openweb in a technical more than a cultural way, but we have no way to judge #openweb culture, so this is a hard one to talk about or address.

#4opens is a step

https://www.theverge.com/23711172/google-amp-accelerated-mobile-pages-search-publishers-lawsuit this is a story about the power we have with the #openweb to push back the mess the #dotcons make.

"Google is still the web’s biggest and most influential company. But across the publishing industry, it’s no longer seen as a partner. AMP ultimately neither saved nor killed the open web. But it did kill Google’s good name — one not-that-fast webpage at a time."

Google AMP: how Google tried to fix the web by taking it over

Google promised to create a better, faster web for media companies with a new standard called AMP. But even after wide adoption, its poor implementation led to publishers abandoning AMP and, in the end, ruined the trust they had in the internet giant…

^{David Pierce (The Verge)}

#fediverse we are going to have waves of #mainstreaming people coming into "our" #openweb counter currents, bringing a lot of non-native, unthinking blinded mess with them, they will push this mess over us as common sense then they will retreat back to #mainstreming and point at us covered in mess... "look these guys are covered in mess we can't work with them...

Yes this is bad behaver, ideas please?

@tchambers

I understand preventing harassment and dealing with content that's illegal, but the #fediverse is part of the #openweb. should we also be policing the truth of what people put up on their own websites? Instances must have their own standards but a social web where it's hard to post unpopular perspectives and have the potential to reach a wide audience (via strict content policing and fediblocks) will be very bad for democracy.

https://fiatjaf.com/ab1127fb.html Yep, people are lifting the lid and finding smoke and mirrors - I hope we are not wasting our focus and time on Fear, uncertainty, and doubt - Wikipedia with this.

On a positive note, the “protocol wars” - has pushed creativity in the #activertypub world and siphoned off some of the worst #fahernistas to the other networks. Let’s keep planting #openweb spaces to become more of what we need, #4opens in the era of #climatechaos

What a mess https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/05/04/jack-dorsey-donates-10-million-to-fund-bitcoin-development/?sh=3993096c2d64 these people are not our friends @76c71aae3a491f1d9eec47cba17e229cda4113a0bbb6e6ae1776d7643e29cafa

This stuff is dying, let it rot, compost for the #grassroots #openweb

The "protocol wars" on the #openweb such as #bluesky, #Nostr, and #activertypub. That building bridges between these protocols can be a good solution, as it is a permissionless way to connect different protocols without needing to get the codebase to change their project. The protocols are all #4opens and #openweb native, which is a positive development. However, the cultures of these protocols are different and can create messiness in the discussions.

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/lets-talk-about-the-protocol-wars/3177

Lets talk about the protocol wars

Listening to the #mainstreaming of the 3 protocol mess, we have a building signal-to-noise issue. We need to push signal, so good to think before you share something that is likely more noise on this subject.

^SocialHub

We need responsible people to STOP pushing only #Mastodon as this is not helping, just look at the SPAM currently spewing from this process. With this mess we are building a codebase and an instance that are "too big to fail" this is absurdly stupid and not needed.

Please link and talk about the #openweb or the #fediverse to start to compost the mess you are making, thanks.

The "protocol wars" of new #openweb protocols, including #bluesky, #Nostr, and #activertypub, am suggesting that bridges between them are a good solution to the current issues. All of these protocols are #4opens and #openweb native, which is a positive development. However, the cultures of these protocols are different and this can create messiness in the discussions.

I advocate for a grassroots #DIY culture and urge people to focus on building bridges rather than adding to the mess.

This is a bad move ;)

Mastodon centralizing is the problem, not the solution for #openweb reboot.

So, what really *is* the fediverse? Is Diaspora part of it?

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking

#fediverse #diaspora #OpenWeb #protocols

#bluesky #Nostr #activertypub

They all share #4opens #openweb tech, so this is a win.

Where they differ is in the "culture" they come from and push.

#bluesky comes from surveillance capitalism, it's from the #dotcons and has meany of the same assumptions, just "better".

#Nostr comes from the #encryptionists and #bitcoin bro crew and suffers from being from this mess.

#activertypub is #openweb native and comes from the #4opens traditions the whole software world is actually built on.

#KISS

#Nostr has bridged, well actually this history is a little mad, it was #truthsocial crew who wrote the code to bridge #Nostr to #Activertypub, you could not make this stuff up.

Bridges are need, we should piss on any new protocols that don't have at least one bridge to an existing #openweb protocol, and pissing is not just a metaphor, it helps to short out their servers.

#nothingnew is only half a metaphor 😀

There's a lot of great explanation sites about the fediverse and its various communities, and I wanted to take a stab at this myself.

https://jointhefediverse.net

The site (very much work in progress) is aimed at a more casual audience. Let me know what you think!

#fediverse #SocialMedia #OpenWeb #IndieWeb #JoinTheFediverse

Join the fediverse!

Learn about the fediverse and find your community.

^{jointhefediverse.net}

@robin loved the video, it touches on one aspect of the #geekproblem in our terms #OMN you can translate "mess" for "complexity" in this context, but I much proffer mess ;)

You arrive at the beginning of the #OMN from 20 years ago, these are all slow burning projects.

https://visionon.tv/w/qgpbyBTuJGvvpxagWYxkLX video should have a copy here on the #openweb when through encoding under the CC licence.

Agen loved the video, thanks.

OMN

2023-04-26 11:42:35

What Is The Web? - Robin Berjon

What is the Web? Interestingly, that question has never been answered before. This talk proposes that the Web is about user agency, and Web technology is the set of technology that increases user agency. I'll explain the reasons for taking this vi...

While I'm not inherently against competing protocols, it's really hard to see BlueSky as anything other than an attempt to (a) keep the fediverse from succeeding, and (b) taking over a "growing market".

https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/110254051709008742

https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/110254350154118534

#BlueSky #fediverse #OpenWeb